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ChoYongGi
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 Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: middle,upper, and oblique |
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does crunches and sit ups workout both your middle abs and upper???
and also working out your side handles (oblique) make your waist bigger??? |
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swanso5
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: melbourne, australia
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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crunches are the most useless exercise on the earth...
working obs can make waist bigger depending on the load used to train them... |
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Boss Man
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| swanso5 wrote: | crunches are the most useless exercise on the earth...
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I thought Reverse Wrist Curls held that title  .
Surely the humble Crunch must have some redeeming features. After all if you do 300 a day, you can get a stomach like Peter Andre, if I've remembered correctly  .
Like Swanso said, oblique load plays a part in their stimulus. If you did Side Bends with no weights, maybe a couple of times a week in a Class, you wouldn't do much to them, maybe just condition them slightly, but if you weight the Bends, you could just get a bit of a Blocky waist, and Side Bends are probably I think the most commonly employed method, for Oblique training.
So I'd say you could train Obliques, but do it bodyweighted. As long as you have good development of things like Abs, Erector Spinae, Illiocostals etc etc, you'll be fine. |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| pete's an aussie boy...i bought his single Gimme Little Sign on cassette in the 90's...still got it actually |
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Boss Man
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| I know he's an Aussie, but personally I think his music sucks, and he's not much better, but that's just me. |
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Dalton85
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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why do you say crunches are the most useless exercise?
last nite i did 15 slow crunches....then 15 bike things wherre u switch leg to elbow and then vacuums and leg lifts in rotation
and im sore today...ish
so they seem to work? |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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if i punched you in the arm you'd be sore too but has it benefited you??
in a nutshell they:
don't make you stronger
don't make you bigger
cause postural problems
cause muscular imbalances
are a waste of time |
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mikeyman
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| so what is the most ideal method to cut your abs up and lose the tire? mad cardio? i had results from HIIT (High Itensity Interval Training) with weight training - however cannot lose the damn love handles. so what now? |
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Dalton85
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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swanso is gonna say diet =]
but i to would like to know what abdominal exercises have nice results
BESIDES DRAGON FLAGS
cause they are way to hard |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | swanso is gonna say diet =] |
of course and:
deadlifts
squats
plyomtrics
sprints
no crunches needed |
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Dalton85
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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ok besides those...
any exercises you suggest for just abs? |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Prone Ab Brace
Side Ab Brace
Deadbug Series
Reverse Crunches
Leg Raises |
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Dalton85
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| are leg raises leg lifts...where u bring ur feet like 1 foot off the ground ansd hold |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| yeah same thing really |
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terry
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| swanso5 wrote: | crunches are the most useless exercise on the earth...
working obs can make waist bigger depending on the load used to train them... |
Mr.swan I have read allot of your post on this site. I see regulary you post that sit-ups crunches are useless, and you post squats, sprints, as some of your keys to six pack abs, I am trying to just loose the beer belly and for years coaches and trainers have said to do sit-ups and now your telling me that doing sit-ups or different variety of crunches and they will not make me lose the belley. Or are you talking crunches are uselee for trying to get a six pack look? CONFUSED |
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