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[Boss Man]

You could show me yes. As stretching areas of Bone with weights, would be something I'm finding difficult right now to comprehend.

[swanso5]

if you're doing bench press sets with 100kgs then your lifting 100kgs...if you're doing forced reps with the same wt you're not lifting 100kgs because someone is helping you...force output decreased...don't mistake force output for increasing muscle fatigue...you want to maximise your muscle fibre use? lift as quick as you can each set

stretching connective tissue?? do that in sport and you're out injured but you do it in bodybuilding and you're fine? that's crazy...one may have read too many arnold bodybuilding books and please show us...do any other exercises do this?

[Womba]

Right, if you have been doin 100kg weight for 4 weeks on the trot, thats a plateau. To overcome that plateau, forced reps are one way. Cheating reps are another. Floor press are another. Tour not gettin wot Im sayin, to prevent or break plateaus, these techniques are useful.
Forced reps etc increase the amount of muscle fibre activation, which in turn improves muscle strength collectively. One forced rep is not fatigue.
So the stretching technigues that ballerina and gymnasts use get them injured all the time. Ballerinas use their body weight to stretch beyond what they are accustomed to, and ballerinas and gymnasts use weights as well to stretch muscle connective tissue to make the flexible, yet stronger and more explosive (The stronger tendons and ligaments the more power can be transmitted fron muscle to bone and yet stable that joint is)
Dont just look at bodybuilding for your facts, look at other sports, as well as (Believe it or not) the animal world. Sounds crazy, but a lot of sports scientists find facts about muscle strentgthing, eapanding and growth from how animals act too.
Have you ever seen a hurlers arms after years of hurling (Thats the fastest field game in the world played in Ireland, and the greatest), there is quite a difference.

[swanso5]

- well you shouldn;t never plateua really if you're using progressive overload...if you get all reps with 100kgs then the next session increase to 101kgs...in 10 weeks you've increased 10% which excellent...no forced reps needed
- as mentioned, floor press, board press and partials are a better wat to overload the muscles as the wt stays the same or is more than what ou eouldnormally use...rest / pause is another one ans cluster sets
- they don;t increase fibre activation, they decrease them from fatigue...you get tired/wealer because less fibres are being recruited the futher you go minto a set...the best way is to lift as fast as you can and when speed starts to slow down, end the set
- no forced rep is not fatigue but if you do 12 sets a workout and do 12 forced reps then that is and unfortunatley that's what most people do...manage fatigue, don't seek it
- gymnast's do not use a lot of wts if any...they stick with their bodyweight as that's what they have to manouver
- how many animals lift wts???
- i have seen burling but not their arms but i don't know what that's has to do with anything here

[Womba]

I dont know about never plateauing if you use progressive overload. in wot sense do you mean, if you mean by doing the same rep range each week then you defo will plateau after 4 wk or so.
Why are rest pause ok yet they fatigue the muscle (Which style of rest pause do you mean).
My thinking about usin the forced rep is that if you aim for six, you do 5 with dab form, then you get stuck halfway on your sixth, use a forced to finish it.
What about needing to fatigue the muscle to make it grow after recperation.
I agree 100 per cent about managing fatigue, one forced rep is ok, any more is prob a waste of time.
Gymnasts do not use a lot of weight, but they do use a little when stretch training at times. Their training involves a lot of isometric holds, or moves like statics on the dips are similar.

[swanso5]

- well of course if you do the same thing week to week you won't progress but that's not plateaing...plateuing is when you have worked with a method and tried everything you can with it and progress has stopped
- rest pause keeps the wt heavy as you don't decrease it, you just decrease the reps...do a set to failkure, rest 10 - 12 secs, x f and you can do these various ways
- you're better ioff remaining fresh ansd not trrying a rep you don't you'll get, stoppoing the set there or as above resting 10secs then doing tyhe extra rep..you'll still get the same amount reps anyway you look at it
- progressive overload is what increases muscle, not fatigue...yes at some point you will get a little tired but going betond failure is only suitable for low volume programs with 3 days of rest a week