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Boss Man · Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject:

Couldn't tell you really, but it could affect things like Nephrologic and Urologic health, or in otherwords the Kidneys and Urinary tract.

Plus the fact there are things like Glucose and certain other macro and micronutrients, that can be extracted from the fluid stream after it's been through the Kidneys, and passes through the Urethra, and possibly the Ureter too, so Diuretics may well negate that from happening.

I can't say for certain though what would normally happen, in a situation like the one you're describing, but I don't think it's potentially good whatever happens.

However I'm concerned many coaches in American schools are or may be inadequately learned on such matters. I heard of one guy a few years back, giving kids on a highschool weightlifting team, 30g Creatine in one dose, and this kid was 14 going on 15, he should never have had more than 5g max, and some would say possibly no Creatine at all, at his age.

Hell no adult should take more than 5g in one dose, because of the possible long-term implications.

Is this Coach being stupid or negligent possibly, but I can't say for certain.

cassiegose · Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 311 Location: Prineville Oregon

Diuretics can also lead to dehydration (obviously) as well as dizziness and loss of sodium and potasium. I hope he has enough sense to rehydrate after weighing in to replenish the fluids lost.

That coach sounds like an idiot and needs to be fired for letting this happen.

swanso5 · Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:33 am Post subject:

will he need to do this before each weight in? why do they have wt limit football teams?

DianaB · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 714

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in football you weigh in at the beginning of the season to make the team requirements only.
As for diuretics etc., making weight is nothing new. I can't say I'd want to do it more than a few times a year though.
My PL partner spent the day in a sauna with a MMA client today, after a week of helping him lose water to make the 3 pm weigh in today.

timtimtimmah19 · Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 144 Location: Pennsylvania

Yeah, we have two weigh-ins a week, so it's going to be an ongoing process for the next two months or so it sounds like. As far as why they have the team, there are six colleges in the US with "sprint football" teams, which are full contact football teams in which the players have to weight what the "average" college male weighs, which according to the bylaws is currently 172 lb.

vamp · Joined: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 762

Not to insult anyone, but when it comes to health and body shape and size and weight for regs on sports such as these it makes me angry that the powers that be say the average person is blah blah blah so it you don't fit that box you're no good.

Its the same for the females and the "perfect 10" body.

It's BS, we look different for a reason and lumping us together to look and weigh the same according to the norm is very similar to the "perfect race" syndrome that Hitler believed in.

Make your body its own norm and the best it can be, not some "board, judge or authorities" norms that you have to fit into.

Cheers all and sorry to rant. I just hate the words "but that is the norm" and other such phrases. Be good to your body, fuel it, work it, pamper it, don't punish it to fit a cookie cutter, your mould was broke the day you were born, you don't need a new one!

DianaB · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 714

Vamp, when you are talking about general fitness, I agree, but sports are a different story. If there wasn't a weight requirement, you could load your team with 250lbs guys and kill everyone else. If I had to compete against 180lb'ers at 132, I'd get creamed everytime. Would be pretty hard to stay motivated is I knew that every meet some girl was going to beat my totals my a country mile because she has 50lbs on me.
Imagine a boxing match with no weight classes, not much hope for the featherweight and not much of a match for the middleweight guy either.
It's not about fitting in a box as much as making for a fair playing field.

vamp · Joined: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 762

Oh I don't disagree with weight classes especially for safety, its the pressures to meet and play in a specific weight class that I disagree with. This guy knows he's way over but stresses his mind and body to make a 20 lbs weight loss in less than a week? 10 weeks is what he should've done and if he did a fat test he would know if his body could handle that. Performance wise he suffers cause he'll probably lose muscle as well and keep the fat. Most people can only be at the top of there game within a small range for weight.

If you are 190 and have 20 % body fat, sure you can make the weight class.

If you are 190 and have 6% Body fat then what the heck are you thinking? You need that fat and 20 lbs in less than a week will be precious water and muscle, not fat. Why do this to a healthy body? Its pure stupidity in my mind.

Sorry, there's just too much (compitition) in sports to make a weight. Its unhealthy period.

In swimming it doesn't matter if your 5'6" and 160 or 6'3" and 210, its your performance, same with sprinters, long distance runners, etc.

Obviously weight affects contact sports and power lifting so the limits are there but does this mean you should stress your body to meet a weight class you should not be in?

Cheers

swanso5 · Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:22 am Post subject:

sprint football teams? that is odd...we have age groups here for our football (under 8's, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, reserves, seniors) regardless of build...even if you're a bohemath at 8 they'll very rarely get promted to under 10's unless they really want to...i was 5'6"and 55kgs playing against full grown men when i was 16 playing seniors and yes i simply got smashed

DianaB · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 714

You see, to me, that's one of ways to discern an athlete from the rest of the pack. 20lbs in a week is probably too much, but people are going to do it if they have to. I guess it's a matter of how bad you want something. This guys got only one weight class to choose from too, fit in or you don't make the team. Maybe some one will show the guy a better way in the future.
This is one reason I'm not training at more than 5-6lbs over the weight class I want to compete in. I know that I can shed that in water easily without over stressing myself.