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anima · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 54

is HGH worth it?? i've done some research on them but all the data are inconsistent. i was wondering if tehre is anyone who has had 1st hand experience with them can share their comments.

Boss Man · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject:

Depends on what you're currently doing with Diet and Training.

I've never used it, but frankly I don't think you need it, unless you're about 190lbs +

swanso5 · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

the fact your thinking of taking means that you could be doing better things diet and nutrition wise

it's illegal isn't it?

swanso5 · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject:

correction - diet and training wise

anima · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 54

well, i thought over my training/diet in the shower and i think i had an epiphany... i think this whole time i was trying to gain muscle and lose fat/weight at the same time...... i mean, i was doing neither of: eating alot to gain lots of mass nor eating less to get cut.... i think i was somewhere in between and going no where and not seeing as much results. and i saw my old friend just the other day, and man did he pack on some mass. and i thought " WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG?" i mean, i think i'm a pretty dedicated person to weight training but i think diet was what really kept me down. but i kept on feeling like i hit a plateau and thought i would never get bigger than this and was considering of HGH and see if that can help me out but now i realize with ur comments, it's just that i can improve on my diet alot.

yeah, so i just wanna ask few more questions.... if you really wanna gain muscle mass, is it inevitable that you also gain fat? and how much do you really have to consume to gain considerable mass over time? i went to coleman's website and it just said EAT EAT EAT AND EAT SOME MORE. what is the distribution scale like for carbs, protein, and etc?

thanks in advance,
( sorry for the long story )

swanso5 · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:58 am Post subject:

- you problem is right there, trying to gain and lose at the same time...you can't do it...choose 1 and get right into it

- for gaining mass a 3:1 muscle:fat gaining ratio is alright so 3pds of fat for every 10pds of bodyweight gained

- i wouldn't try anything coleman does, do you see the gear he's got at his disposal, but half underestimate how much they actually need to eat and the other overestimate

- start out at 15 calories per pound of lean bodyweight (not counting fat wt)...write down everything you eat with times and portions (which you should be doing anyway) and take a scale wt with bodyfat % if possible once a week at the same time each time...if your gaining wt / muscle than stay at that calorie level (don't count cal's, just eat the same thing you did the week before, you've got it written down) and if not increase to 16cal's/pd/LBW...if you lose wt than increase to 17 etc...this way you're increasing cal's as your body demands it not just for the hell of it so you should avoid a heap of fat gain

give me a full week of your training and what you eat if you can

anima · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 54

Training Routine:

Monday: Chest / Triceps

Tuesday: Back / Biceps

Wednesday: Legs

Thursday: Shoulders/ Traps

Friday: Arms

SAT/SUN: Rest

I also try to add in 10min running interval training here and there sometimes and abs, but that has not been a strict routine yet. just whenever i feel like it i add it in.

and as for diet:

Breakfast: Usually rice and eggs (usually 3 eggs) /or/ oatmeal, protein shake, banana - i usually rotate from these two so i don't get sick of eating the same thing

Lunch: I usually try to to have pasta with chicken breast /but/ just as much i would buy something to eat... like a chicken dinner with rice and salad and if all else fails,,, i would most likely skip or have some bread

Dinner: rice and fish (sometimes), or whatever that happens to be cooked at the time

And preworkout, i just try to consume any sort of carbs to give me some energy and then post work out i have a protein shake and a yogurt

then before i sleep, i have another protein shake. but not if i had 1 in the morning.

i try not to exceed more than 2 shakes a day.

i just try to eat sensible but i guess it's not nearly enough.

i'm 180 pounds and 5'9 - 5'10 i'm not 100% of the height, i havn't got it measured in a long time

Boss Man · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

I don't actually think HGH is illegal. Could be wrong though.

swanso5 · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

anima · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 54

i believe i'm above 12% bf... i've never really had that checked out before so i'm not too sure but... i'm pretty sure i'm over.
so one thing is clear, diet it just terrible. so that's the main priority. and i'm guessing your suggestion is to LEAN out first and then try to gain back the weight but in muscle instead of fat?

man i don't know how some of these people i see have like SO MUCH MUSCLE but still got like ripped abs. so i'm guessing that these people have a bulking phase and a cutting phase also??

however, during the leaning process am i trying to basically just lose weight in general? or maintaining the muscle and losing fat?
and as for the training routine, do you really suggest that i change it?

swanso5 · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

- lean 1st until have decent abs at a minimum
- we need to decrease fat while at the very least maintaining whatever muscle you currently have
- this will require a diet over haul
- initially simply choosing better options, increasing meal frequency and proper portioning will drop wt so there will be no need to drop cal's yet...in fact don't even count them...just eat when you're hungry and finish when you're content
- they have yrs and yrs of consistency training and dieting to look like that...a lifestyle, not a phase
- wt may decrease if you've got a lot of fat but not a lot i wouldn't think...take a wasit measurement at belly button and an arm measurement (flexed at the highest point)...every 2 weeks remeasure these spots at the same time...if you lose from waist than your most likley losing fat...if you lose from arms than probaby muscle...if lose from waist and arms the same or more than you're increasing muscle while losing fat
- it doesn't really matter what i think but your program is about as useful as your diet plan...you use bugger all cal's training small muscles (arms, shoulders etc) so you need to focus on movements (squats, deadlifts, pull ups, rows, bench presses, shoulder presses)

Boss Man · Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:

anima · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 54

thanks alot guys, hopefully i can make a success story of this Cool

Boss Man · Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:05 am Post subject:

P.S. you don't need that signature dude Smile

. People who want to learn often have to ask. It's not often about what you ask or how often, but how you ask, and respond.

You're cool with us, so we're more than happy to let you ask, as much as you feel you need to.