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vamp
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 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if this will help but,
I don't count calories, I count meals, I try for protein every meal (solid) Fruit I love and veggies so I have some every meal although trying to keep most of the fruit to the morning hours. And like all us humans, I love carbs: breads, cereals, pastas, etc. I'm trying to start keeping those in the earlier part of the day.
Calories are numbers and you can go crazy trying to calculate them all, keep portions at about a handful and you are doing well. Drink your milk and water and you'll be good.
Also, I eat between 5-8 meals a day aiming towards the 8 meals.
Swanso I now call each time I eat a meal, so I'm averaging six now. |
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Boss Man
Joined: 25 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| swanso5 wrote: | | keep the wts though to keep bones strong |
I would politely disagree here. owing to the possible Metabolism issues this person may be getting, and potential Thyroid issues as well, from old habits, at least a medical opinion, should be sought in my honest opinion.
If this person has a Thyroid issue, which could relate to Bone also. weightbearing exercise may put stress on the Bones when they're not able to handle it, like normal.
Carefree, please at least see a medical person, just to be on the safe side. I personally would really like to see you exercise well, and progress, but if you're getting sudden weight loss, and you have or had an ED also, your Thyroid is potentially not going to be benefitting, from Thyroid stimulating things like Exercise, which increase Metabolism.
You may have more underlying problems, than just a slight issue with Metabolism, caused by improper dietry habits.
You may find for example, you need to incorporate a bit of Iodine into your regime, as T3 and T4 Thyroid Hormones, have Iodine in them. T4 having one more molecule than T3.
So as I say, I don't want you stop exercising, but a medical opinion may be needed, to make sure the exercise isn't working against you in some way, just like Katie said
That rapid weight loss didnt happen for a reason, unless you've been possibly eating as much as a 3 year old, and I doubt that.
I know it might seem hard to sit face to face with someone, and tell them the kind of things you've been doing on here, but you can't expect to eat less than 1,500 calories, exercise, then lose 3lbs a week, and not have a possible Thyorid issue, given your past.
So you need to rule out a Thyroid issue, and if your Thyroid isn't helping you to produce, or utilise the right levels of Calcitonin, you might be potentially getting poor Bone health, not to mention your 1,400 cals a day, may very be very low on one or more of Calcium, Magnesium, K2 and Vit D, all major players on Bone health.
At this stage, weight bearing exercises, on potentially weakened Bones, may be a problem waiting to happen.
Take care yeah  . |
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carefree
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. Just wondering what T3 and T4 are, i will go and look it up.
Today is the most i have eaten for a very long time, looking back on my WLR site. not sure if i am totally happy eating this much but i do feel more with it, and i dont feel so light headed, but that might be cos i have not been to the gym for two days.
I like the idea of eating the carbs in the morning, that makes sense to me. I never eat anything white, like bread, rice, sugar, potatoes, flour. I only eat wholemeal. Milk i dont touch cos i just dont like the smell of it, i have soya unsweetened for my porridge, cuppa teas and protein shakes.
I have been taking L-Carnitine 500g and coq10 100g every day for over six months now, but i have just run out and i am going to leave them for now. Not sure if they really help. I also have Creatine, 5g just before my workouts.
I am going to continue with this eating 5 or 6 times a day, its really good for someone like me, cos your belly never feels really full. But i do feel more hungry since i have started to eat more, thing is i am thinking more about food, normally i dont even think about it. i do find that very strange, the more you eat the more hungry you get.
Thanks for all the replies, it really dose help |
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Boss Man
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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T3 and T4 are Thyroid Hormones. The main difference is that T4 contains 1 more molecule of Iodine than T3.
THe production and use of both are regulated by something called TSH.
They are Hormones that regulate your Metabolism.
In the case of the other one Calcitonin, it regulates the use of Calcium and Phosphorus, which is good for Bones, and also works with something called Parathyrin.
The Thyroid is in the Front of the Neck, and the Parathyroid, are little peas sized structures at the back of the Thyroid, in two rows of two.
The Parathyoroid produces the Parathyrin.
They assist with the usage of Calcium and Phosphorus, which is why if you have a Thyroid issue, governing Metabolism of food, the fact your Bones may be getting inadeqaute Calcium usage, and therefore inadequate Bone formation, coupled with potentially poor Phsophorus usage, could be a problem.
The fact your diet is low on cals, could also indicate low Calcium, Magnesium, Vit D K2, and possibly other things like Phosphorus, and maybe Boron as well.
So to do weightlifiting exercises if you have a Thyroid problem, a low cal potentially low Bone Macro intake, and cannot properly utilise or get enough Bone Macros, may be giving you Bone health issues, that weightbearing may exasperate. |
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swanso5
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| drop the supp's, you don;t need them and obviusoly aren;t doing anything for you |
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carefree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the help Bossman i am wondering if there is a supplement that might be worth thinking about. |
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Christopheel
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Well, maybe some whey ... other than that you need to correct your diet first. |
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carefree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Christopheel wrote: | | Well, maybe some whey ... other than that you need to correct your diet first. |
Whey? Sorry if i am being think but do you mean Whey Protein? |
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carefree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Well yesterday and today i have had 5 or 6 meals with 1600 yesterday 1500 calories today and today has not finished yet. Went to my new gym and had a great new workout and went swimming and i have not felt light headed. Just hope that my weight has not gone up too much when i weigh myself in the morning, more importantly i hope my fat count has not gone up with all this food, cos that could put me into some sort of panic mode, its happened to me so many time before, maybe i should not weight myself but that just wont happen. |
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Christopheel
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| carefree wrote: | | Christopheel wrote: | | Well, maybe some whey ... other than that you need to correct your diet first. |
Whey? Sorry if i am being think but do you mean Whey Protein? |
Exactly, for PWO (Recovery !) and maybe morning too boost a bit your total proteins |
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Boss Man
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Carnitine is no biggie, it does have effects on Fat loss, but I'd say you don't need that. If you want Co-Q10, then keep it. It's worth it in my opnion, and has positive effects on things like the Heart. |
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DianaB
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| carefree wrote: | | Well yesterday and today i have had 5 or 6 meals with 1600 yesterday 1500 calories today and today has not finished yet. Went to my new gym and had a great new workout and went swimming and i have not felt light headed. Just hope that my weight has not gone up too much when i weigh myself in the morning, more importantly i hope my fat count has not gone up with all this food, cos that could put me into some sort of panic mode, its happened to me so many time before, maybe i should not weight myself but that just wont happen. |
How about this: just don't weigh yourself, period.
Here is an example: I weighed in at 131.9 one morning, as usual. I ate well through out the day, and did a super tough EDT style full body session at around 6. Ate a normal, clean dinner and snack in the evening. The next morning, I weighed in at 138. WOW, huh did I gain 7 pounds of muscle overnight? Maybe 7 lbs of fat? Water, intramuscular swelling, glycogen maybe?
WHO KNOWS, it's irrelevant!
Your body will fluctuate in weight on a daily basis, and you have no way of knowing your "fat count" from day to day. Measure with the mirror and a measuring tape. You are going to gain some weight, some of it fat, just accept it and move on. It's part of the process and you can use a little fat anyways, right! |
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carefree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Boss Man wrote: | | . If you want Co-Q10, then keep it. It's worth it in my opnion, and has positive effects on things like the Heart. |
I think i am going to leave them all for now and maybe start on coq10 again later. |
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carefree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| DianaB wrote: |
How about this: just don't weigh yourself, period.
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Hi Diana. For someone like me that just simply can not happen, my day really dose depend on what those scales say, i know its pathetic but thats just the way it is. I even have three sets of scales to make sure things are working ok. |
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carefree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well the last two days have been great, i have stopped the 100 calorie increase a week and just gone up to 1800 on none workout days and 2000 on workout days. Its been working well, i done one of the best weight training days for ages today, i really did seem to have extra strength. Tomorrow is a cardio day, i hope i can give that a go and not feel weak or sluggish. If i can keep this up without the fat count going up i could be on the right road. I just hope i can continue to eat the 2000 calories a day.
Today is the first day in months that i have not popped any supplement or vitamin tablets. Im thinking if i can get all that i need from the food i eat i wont need any.
Stay lucky |
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