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carefree




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 32

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing that really gets me, i can go hours even days without eating, it dont bother me, i dont get hungry i dont think about food but then i get giddy, and that makes me eat as i dont want to pass out. So why is it then, that when i start to eat or start a new plan that i like, and get on with, i cant stop thinking about food, its on my mind consistently. I seem to feel hungrier and if i go near to the 2000 calorie a day, my weight will go up too bloody fast, i went to Barbados in Feb this year on a AI holiday, i thought go for it and see what happens, i came back 20lbs heavier. I soon realised that i am being fattened up like a prized f**king heather. And that simply cant happen again as i have been 26 stone before and i would starve rather than go anywhere near to that again.

I have slightly changed my plan, i read on here that if i was to have up to eight meals a day, starting as soon as i wake, then every 2.5 hours till i go to bed, having protein with every meal and keeping to 300 calories per meal (the last one i will have 200). I start with meal replacement shake, i have loads in the kitchen that i order but never seem to get through. I must admit, the plus point is i never feel stuffed, and i dont feel hungry, and i do seem to have more energy, i was up at 4am this morning and still going strong. I still cant believe i was up at 4am this morning mixing bloody protein shakes, lol. I will do whatever it takes. BUT and i really mean this, if, come Friday i have put on shit loads of weigh that will finish it. I will have to think again. I will have protein shakes, porridge, wholemeal bread sandwiches, tuna, salmon. I will keep to my low fat foods,and i wont touch any foods on my NO list, including the new no thing, alcohol. (that might keep my voice in my head happy) I will go to my gym five time again this week, three weight training and 2 cardio workouts. No laxatives, no supps, just good whole foods, up to 2300 calories a day (depends on how long i am awake) . I will not weigh myself for a week, (well i will try) anyway, i have not gone near the bloody scales since friday, not sure if they work now, i should never have lornched them the way i did .

Thanks for all the replies, you really are so kind.
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DianaB




Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 687

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carefree wrote:
DianaB wrote:

Keep eating and stop weighing yourself and don't tell me the "people like you" can't do that. Your just like any one else on this planet, you have the ability to choose.


Maybe you have never came into someone with a food problem thing, but please believe me when i say i cant do that, it really means i cant. I can cope with the shit (voice) in my head that tells me not to eat but its really hard to do when you put weight on. In fact its near on imposable unless you take drugs or something and i dont do drugs. I dont even drink alcohol any more cos of the calories in it.

I have been having the six meals a day now for a few days but since friday i have found it harder to have the last meal. I have been having six 300 calorie meals, 1800 a day and on gym days an extra protein shake. Today will only be 1600, i just cant do any more today, going to bed now, too knackered.


Have I personally ever had an eating disorder: borderline. Have I been exposed to people who fall into this trap: a resounding yes. In the past 25 years, I've known my share of people (though I must say mostly female) who have experienced issues on one level or another, with food.

What I see is that there is a the common theme of victimization i.e, I don't know why I can't eat, I feel sick, I feel fat, therefore I must be unique in this problem and no one can help me because I just CAN'T.

Don't misunderstand me, I do have sympathy for your problem and I recognize that it is very real in your head. I just have a very low tolerance for BS. If you want to change, then you need to take the steps needed to get rid of your negativity. When you are eating a normal diet and feeling so badly about it that you take laxatives the night before you weigh in, there is more going on then what can be fixed in an internet forum.

The food is only a symptom of the root cause. You are in need of professional counseling to get over what ever it is that put you in this place. There is no shame in that. Own your problem, and then you will be able to fix it.

“Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hit, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you are because of him, or her, or anybody.
Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that!”
- Rocky Balboa
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carefree




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Diana

i know you are right, and yes maybe i do have a bit more of a problem than i admit, even to myself, but as you say its just not a man thing to have, so i suppose i just dont really talk about it to anyone, until i came on to here, but that was not my intentions when i first came on here.

I am now going to have my 6th meal of the day,lol, god knows what i am going to have this time, its really hard to eat when you are simply not hungry. i really do feel stuffed but i must continue with this.
Thanks for your reply
Take care
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Boss Man




Joined: 25 Nov 2006
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Location: My site, (Steelmuscle), and anywhere else I feel like

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do this, but you HAVE to realise you're worth it.

You have to understand what human worth you have, and what value you have. There will be many people in this life, that may not say it to you, and may not really think it, but I'm going to say, yes you admitted you didn't intend to come here and discuss what you have done, but in your own way you should be proud of the fact you did.

You've taken that first step to change, by admitting you have to change, because your situation cannot go on, where you have uneven eating habits, and you think too much about what you should weigh and if you are weighing too much or too little.

You have to believe that are worth this. You can't want something you don't believe in properly, because you won't be able to adhere to it enough. You need to trust yourself that you CAN do it, because if you don't trust yourself, you'll be leaving yourself open to a mistake, and then when you fail you'll believe it's what you are, someone who fails, and who should't try, because you believe not trying is a failure better than trying and failing, becasue not trying doesn't set you up for a fall.

It's not you that kind of thinking. You DO have what it takes to think positively, and you DO have the mental and emotional qualities to do this, and you ARE worth it, and you DESERVE to be happy.

The thing you have done here is say I have a problem, and yes the things you say about I can't, I can't, are identifying what the things you need to change, because you can't hide from your own words, when you can see what they are.

If you want this, you need to be 100% committed, and trust and believe in yourself, and you CAN. There is no reason why you can't do this, and you need to know that the fact you spoke about this, shows that you in some way value yourself, enough to change, and not stay in a downward spiral, and for that you should at least be proud of yourself, so don't lose Heart alright fella, because there is no reason why you can't do this.
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DianaB




Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 687

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carefree wrote:
Thanks Diana

i know you are right, and yes maybe i do have a bit more of a problem than i admit, even to myself, but as you say its just not a man thing to have, so i suppose i just dont really talk about it to anyone, until i came on to here, but that was not my intentions when i first came on here.

I am now going to have my 6th meal of the day,lol, god knows what i am going to have this time, its really hard to eat when you are simply not hungry. i really do feel stuffed but i must continue with this.
Thanks for your reply
Take care


If it makes you feel better, most guys on a bulk plan go through the same things you are going through, eating disorder or not. Feeling disgustingly full, not wanting to eat etc.

So go talk to your doctor and get a referral to someone to help you with the anxiety over food. It's not a big deal, everyone needs help with stuff sometimes. Just don't fall into the trap of posting your problems everyday on the internet and not doing anything else to fix them. Don't be a victim, be a hero and beat this thing.
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carefree




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 32

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello all

i need to change my user name. if someone can let me know how to do it i would be most greatful. i want to change it to FAT PRIZED HEATHER.

cant stop cos i now need to go and have my 12th or is it 13th meal of the day.

weigh day in three days time.
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swanso5




Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 6899
Location: melbourne, australia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure about the user name thing...i don;t you can...mine typed in wrong...it's meant to be swans05
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vamp




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 702

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here's the question.....

If you are 6' 4", why are you under 200 lbs? I mean really?

Me 231 lbs at 5' 8" and only about 55 of that is fat (i'm around 23-24%) currently.

You got 6" on me and you weigh less? How many ribs can you count and is there any muscle on your arms and legs? Are you trying to look like a living skeleton?

And to think all this time you've been trying to loose weight and what you've needed is to put some on.

hmmmmmmm
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DianaB




Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 687

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carefree wrote:
hello all

i need to change my user name. if someone can let me know how to do it i would be most greatful. i want to change it to FAT PRIZED HEATHER.

cant stop cos i now need to go and have my 12th or is it 13th meal of the day.

weigh day in three days time.


Skip the weigh in this week. I have no idea how much you weigh, and I'm here bugging the shit out of you, WHY, because what you weigh isn't important. It's the attitude towards food that is.
Make me a deal not to weigh yourself or take laxatives or any other crap, Just relax, eat and listen to your body, not your head.
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Boss Man




Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 3607
Location: My site, (Steelmuscle), and anywhere else I feel like

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. There are natural laxatives people can take anyway.

Prunes

Figs.

Good Fibre intake.

Increased water might help

Possibly natural things like Senna.

Actual Laxative Laxatives, are not necessary.

You CAN achieve what you want, you just need to believe in it, and not be so concerned with the weight thing. I've actually weighed myself, must be 2-3 times I think, in the last 4-5 years, just out of curiosity.

You're a part of our community now, you're one of us, and we'll look out for you, as long as you treat your body properly, which means no pissy laxatives, and no even if you could change your username, I wouldn't tell you how, because you having a "negative" username isn't productive.

The one you have is more positive, and a better username, because one day it WILL reflect you as a person pretty much, and right now you SHOULD be proud of trying to change, and proud of what you're trying to do.

It's clear you're a great person, with a good heart, and that's always a big plus, so no worries okay, just don't be so focused on things like weight etc etc, and just keep trusting in your own efforts, believing in yourself, and giving the food and exercise time to do their thing.

If you're 100% you'll get 100%.

Be strong, chin up and GOOD LUCK.


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carefree




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 32

PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again thanks for all the replies, Boss man you really know your stuff, thanks
No i am not trying to look skinny or like a skeleton, its not about that. I cant see any ribs on me, when i look in a mirror i see fat everywhere, on my belly, chest and legs. I would not walk around with out a shirt on i can tell you that, no way. But everyone else tells me i am very skinny and that they can see my rib cage, but i cant see it. And its what i see on me that counts. I like things to be right, perfect, and i know my body needs to lose a lot of fat until i can be happy about putting on some weight. Talking of weight, i have put on 2 more lbs again this week, despite this, i have been continuing with the eight meals a day, but, i have slowed it down a little bit, the last meal of the day is just too hard for me to get it in when i put on weight (please dont reply to that bit if you dont have a ED cos you dont understand). I am going to carry on with the plan as i do feel better, a lot better and i dont get light headed any more and i am not so tiered.
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cassiegose




Joined: 09 May 2008
Posts: 275
Location: Prineville Oregon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay for not feeling light headed and tired!!!!! :)

I'm sooooo glad you're continuing on with the 8 meals a day! Keep up the great work and please don't get discouraged with this (very slight!) weight gain. I know what you're going through and I know that this is soooo difficult for you. I'm here to tell you that this isn't going to get easier over night. It will take a lot of time... alot of effort.... alot of struggling... and alot of patience.... but I know that if you keep up the great work and keep thinking postive thoughts there will come a day when you can look in the mirror and see yourself as the great person that you are. :) Please don't get down on yourself. Two steps forward and one step back is still progress. You'll get there eventually!

Keep your chin up friend!

Cassie :)

"Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine."
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
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carefree




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 32

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunately this will be the last post on this forum. i cant carry on with this plan, i weighed myself again this morning and another 3lbs has gone on, thats 6lbs in 10 days. it may not be such a thing to most people, but to me its a real problem, i cant think of anything else, all day its been on my mind, the voice in my head has won, and there is no way can i eat eight meals a day, to be honest i am having trouble eating one. One thing, this site has helped me realise i do have a problem with food, i think i always knew i did but until i came on here i would never admit to it. i am thinking about getting some help, and maybe i can talk to someone, a friend or even the Mrs.

Thankyou for all your replies, and who knows one day i might start a new forum.

Stay lucky

nothing tastes nicer than being thin Sad
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cassiegose




Joined: 09 May 2008
Posts: 275
Location: Prineville Oregon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This breaks my heart. :(
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Boss Man




Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 3607
Location: My site, (Steelmuscle), and anywhere else I feel like

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a difficult thing to see, but the truth is, the nature of what we do here Cassie, is not always a smooth one, and there will be occasional times like this, when unfortunately a person decides to take this course of action.

All we can do is to continue to help the people who still post here, and hope those few in a situation like this, (if they truly do move on from here), find a way to overcome their issues, and find an improved way of living.
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