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ankur29




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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: without whey can one maintain muscle level? Reply with quote

hi i am 17 , 5ft7 and i have not got whey yet but i will in the summer when i can work out about 4 times a week i currently only train 2-3 times
here is the one i will get :
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/impact-whey-protein/
however i am confused about ....

1st) if i take just 30 grams a day on a rest day on top of my dauily intake form solid foods, and 2 scoops of 25/30g 93 times a week) on days suffice for muscle development

2nd) once i get to the physique i want , and i stop taking whey, but continue training and eating solid protein will i lose the muscle mass?

3rd) does whey maintain build or help grow or both ? i am afriad that i will become depenedant on eth stuff and will have to keep dishing out heaps of money for it

4) how does one avoid whey protein buildind fat instaed of muscle

please help i have have been told that if i stop taking whey i will revert back to a less muscular build and i may gain fat instead ,i have researched but there is no proper answer to my ques , so i ask teh experienced people here
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HOUSTON TEXAN




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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ate the amount of protein in the powder that you would usually drink I would suppose so.
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swanso5




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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 - as long as you are having 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight at least, yes it's enough
2 - you won;t lose but you may fond it harder to increase as you need fast absorbing protein straight after training to rebuild your muscles back up
3 - you don;t need an expensive one...just get the bioggest tub for the cheapest price...they're all the same anyway
4 - train and eat clean and you won't get fat
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ankur29




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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="swanso5"]1 - as long as you are having 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight at least, yes it's enough
2 - you won;t lose but you may fond it harder to increase as you need fast absorbing protein straight after training to rebuild your muscles back up
3 - you don;t need an expensive one...just get the bioggest tub for the cheapest price...they're all the same anyway
4 - train and eat clean and you won't get fat [/quote]


i weigh 11.2 stones i thinks that is like 160lbs+ , if i dont have more than 1 gram of whet per pound will i not gain?
i have skinless chicken almost everyday & i have plenty lentils/nuts everday as it is, will 30g a day , & 60g on days i work not be enough?

and anyway once i get to the build i want i will stop taking whey and just try to maintain
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Boss Man




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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11.2 Stone is about 156lb's, and cutting Whey when you reach a desired weight, would do probably one of two things.

1. If you were eating enough daily protein, to sustain a mass level 5-10 lbs approx, above ideal bulk weight, cutting Whey could possibly allow you to maintain, if remaining Protein levels per day where adequate enough.

2. You eat just about enough Protein daily to achieve desired mass levels, in which case cutting Protein would almost certainly achieve Atrophy, and partial loss of gains.

One possible way around either scenario, might be to keep using the Whey at that point, and trim set numbers on each exercise down by 1 set, so if you did 3 sets on an exercise, do 2 at that juncture.

This in theory would stifle further growth potential, by not cutting weight levels or changing rep numbers, and as a result keeping intensity of sets / reps as per before, but with a slight cut in Set numbers, theoretically reducing training volume. However owing to the continued consumption of Whey, block Atrophy of the muscles.

If that makes sense.
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swanso5




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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALWAYS HAVE WHEY AFTER TRAINING, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING
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ankur29




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi guys , i have recently bought a 2.17kg tub of whey 80% concentrate

i started taking it this monday and today is thursday

my scoop measures 25g and each scoop has 20g protein

somedays i take twice (hence taking 40) when i am working out back and biceps and working out chest and tricep and other days i take one scoop

1)when will i begin 2 see results..?
2)am i taking enough?

i take before workout and after workout on days i take twice
and after workout on days i take once

3)and guys i still dont fully understand, if i stop taking whey will i lose any gained muscle?
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vamp




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simply put,

1. Whey is not a muscle mass pack on powder miracle. It is just protein, no drugs or anything else.

2. Whey is a great protein, protein is broken into amino acids that help repair and grow muscle.

3. If you don't have whey you would have to increase your protein in your diet to compensate so your body can heal and grow.

4. Whey being consumed in liquid form before and after workouts allows a faster metabolic consumption of the protein therefore allowing your body to utalize the essential amino acids for faster healing of the muscles from your workout.

5. If you stop taking whey then input more protein elsewhere in your diet to replace it so you are still getting 1 g protein for 1 lb of body weight. You will lose what you don't use (hence atrophy), so keep excercising and keep the protein intake the same wether it be food or whey suppliment.

Therefore,

you will not lose if you stop taking whey although you will lose if you stop eating 1 g protein for 1 lb body weight, and you slow down or stop working out. Such is life, hence why getting fit and excercising is call a life change or choice. It is for life not just a fad.

Cheers
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swanso5




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

only need 1 a day after training and only 1 scoop rewuired for those...all other protein servings should be food
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Nicaraguan




Joined: 05 Aug 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vamp wrote:
simply put,

1. Whey is not a muscle mass pack on powder miracle. It is just protein, no drugs or anything else.

2. Whey is a great protein, protein is broken into amino acids that help repair and grow muscle.

3. If you don't have whey you would have to increase your protein in your diet to compensate so your body can heal and grow.

4. Whey being consumed in liquid form before and after workouts allows a faster metabolic consumption of the protein therefore allowing your body to utalize the essential amino acids for faster healing of the muscles from your workout.

5. If you stop taking whey then input more protein elsewhere in your diet to replace it so you are still getting 1 g protein for 1 lb of body weight. You will lose what you don't use (hence atrophy), so keep excercising and keep the protein intake the same wether it be food or whey suppliment.

Therefore,

you will not lose if you stop taking whey although you will lose if you stop eating 1 g protein for 1 lb body weight, and you slow down or stop working out. Such is life, hence why getting fit and excercising is call a life change or choice. It is for life not just a fad.

Cheers


Excellent post.
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vamp




Joined: 01 Jan 1970
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Nicaraguan.
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