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j92008




Joined: 30 Jan 2008
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Location: New Jersey

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Cardio and weight training for weight loss? Reply with quote

Hi! I am just starting out and so glad to have this forum! I am a 38 year old female, trying to lose 25- 30 pounds. I have begun a clean eating program, but I am confused about my workout.
I am doing 45 minutes of cardio everyday and weight training 3-4 times a week. Should I not be doing weight training until I am closer to goal weight? I am not really losing weight as I expected I would.
My ultimate goal is not only to be "toned" but to be defined.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Jeannine[/i]
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swanso5




Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 7287
Location: melbourne, australia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toned and defined is the same thing...

post your wts and cardio programs for a closer look...as well as what you eat on a daily basis
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j92008




Joined: 30 Jan 2008
Posts: 2
Location: New Jersey

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: More info re: current program Reply with quote

Told you I was new at this Embarassed . Let me clarify. I want to lose weight (Primarily)and build muscle (beyond just being toned. Not bulky, but muscular)
So, with that said, here is an idea of my workout and eating program:

Morning: 1 cup oatmeal, 1/2 cup blueberries, 3 egg whites scrambled
snack: 1/2 cup plain nonfat yogurt w/ sliced banana
Lunch: Salad (spinich, carrot, radishes, water packed tuna) w/ balsamic vinegar.
Snack: apple and handful of almonds
Dinner: Baked Chicken Breast, steamed broccoli, 1/2 cup brown rice
1/2 cup berries

(of course water throughout-8-10 glasses and usually 2 cups herbal tea)

Current Workout Schedule:

7 Days: Cardio 45 minutes on treadmill at 4mph, incline 4

Mon: Legs- Squats , Leg Curls, Calf Raises 3 sets each
Biceps- Barbell Curls, 3 sets
Forearms- Wrist Curls, 3 sets
Abdominals- crunches 3 sets to failure

Wed: Chest- Bench Press, Dumbbell flys 3 sets each
Shoulders- Lateral Raises, Barbell shoulder press 3 sets each
Abdominals- crunches 3 sets to failure

Fri: Back- Lats Pull Downs, Bent-Over Rows, Deadlifts 3 sets each
Triceps- Bench Dips, Tricep Pulldowns 3 sets each
Abdominals- crunches 3 sets to failure

Thursdays: Hatha Yoga 1 hr.

Ok, I think I covered it all. Thanks in advance for your help
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swanso5




Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 7287
Location: melbourne, australia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

- add solid protein source to lunch
- add solid protein source to afternoon snack
- no fruit with dinner
- add a protein shake after training
- cut cardio to 2 days and do intervals x 20min doing 30secs hard as you can then 90secs easy as you can
- move to a full body wts plan
- no need for these: calf raises, leg curls, wrist curls, crunches, flies, lateral raises or pushdowns
- try this:

session 1
supine bridge alternated with deadlifts
inverted rows alternated with bench press
face pulls alternated with shoulder presses
prone ab brace x time resting the same time you held for each time trying to equal

session 2
bird dogs alternated with squats
db rows alternated with db incline press
chin ups alternated with l lateral
side ab brace same as prone brace

rotate through these
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trish_pt




Joined: 05 Nov 2008
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: NEWBIE TOO Reply with quote

Hey Swanso5 I loved how you answered the girl trying to bulk up so I was inspired to sign up for this forum in hopes that you may be able to help me out so............Applying for a desk position..I have just been hired as a personal trainer...now I know no exercises let alone how to do them besides through research..however do not know if I am doing them correctly...only being told what to do and not how to do them (from work) I was told to look for push and pull exercises...however I can only find push-ups or pull-ups/ or exercises that require machines..as a PT I cannot use machines..can you direct me to a good website that has and or explains variations of push/pull exercises?!!!

Left in the Dark
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swanso5




Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 7287
Location: melbourne, australia

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

excuse me if i get this wrong but have you been hired as a personal trainer without knowing basic exercises??
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ronaldace




Joined: 12 Sep 2008
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swanso5 wrote:
- add solid protein source to lunch
- add solid protein source to afternoon snack
- no fruit with dinner
- add a protein shake after training
- cut cardio to 2 days and do intervals x 20min doing 30secs hard as you can then 90secs easy as you can
- move to a full body wts plan
- no need for these: calf raises, leg curls, wrist curls, crunches, flies, lateral raises or pushdowns
- try this:

session 1
supine bridge alternated with deadlifts
inverted rows alternated with bench press
face pulls alternated with shoulder presses
prone ab brace x time resting the same time you held for each time trying to equal

session 2
bird dogs alternated with squats
db rows alternated with db incline press
chin ups alternated with l lateral
side ab brace same as prone brace

rotate through these


That is an awesome routine there Swanso... Thanks a lot.... I too am searching a way to increase body mass..
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trish_pt




Joined: 05 Nov 2008
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Newbie Reply with quote

Yeah like I said I originally applied for the desk job...I do not know why they put me in this position..However..I have been learning a lot and I am very excited to have been given this opportunity..it's something that I could be really good at because I have the drive, willingness to learn and take on th challenges I know a few exercises...it's only the push pull thing that I am concerned about Smile
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Boopster




Joined: 08 Jan 2007
Posts: 139

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you certified in personal training? If not, excuse my bluntness, but why would you accept a position in a field with little knowledge? I'm all for people asking for help and wanting to have opportunity, just a little puzzled I guess. Hope I didn't offend you.
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DianaB




Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 714

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: Newbie Reply with quote

trish_pt wrote:
Yeah like I said I originally applied for the desk job...I do not know why they put me in this position..However..I have been learning a lot and I am very excited to have been given this opportunity..it's something that I could be really good at because I have the drive, willingness to learn and take on th challenges I know a few exercises...it's only the push pull thing that I am concerned about Smile


You need to be concerned about more than that if you have no background in this field. The possibility of causing injury to someone, for example.
If you really want to be a PT, first get out of any gym that would hire someone without any knowledge of resistance training. Find a gym with experienced people and train there, and get certified. Take a St.John's ambulance course and learn CPR.
In the meantime, study exrx.net, extensively.
Oh yeah, being willing to learn is great, but you need someone to learn from. If these guys can't explain a simple agonist/antagonist movement, you'll not learn much from them, except how to charge people for nothing.
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swanso5




Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 7287
Location: melbourne, australia

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is very odd but to anwer your question...

push exercises can be diveded into 2 categories:

1 - upper body horizontal pushing - bench press variations
2 - upper body vertical pushing exercises - shoulder press variations

pull exercises can also be divided into 2 categories:

1 - upper body horizontal pulling - row variations
2 - upper body vertical pulling - chin / pull up /pulldown variations

simply doing 1 each of these will not be balanced though as both pushes and vertical pulling internally rotate the shoulder and only pulling externally rotates the shoulder so you need 1 hor pull exercise for every 1 hor push OR vert pull OR vert push

who hired you? like i said this is very odd.....

i have a lot of drive but i'll never be a millionaire....
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trish_pt




Joined: 05 Nov 2008
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: not so puzzled anymore Reply with quote

Just to let everyone know I am not certified yet...however will not be training anyone until certified...I am going through training at the gym and then I will take my certification within the next few months..I am learning more since I posted the first time...thank you everyone for your advice....thank you swan
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trish_pt




Joined: 05 Nov 2008
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Continued Reply with quote

PS I'm sure they know what they are doing...see the scenario goes down like this...They didn't hire me as a PT per se just as a trainee...the first couple of days they said go out and find all of the push/pull exercises you can find learn them then come in and demonstrate them..but I couldn't really find any or many I should say which is why I posted..but since then they have taught me more..I guess it was just the first couple of days
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melati




Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swanso5 wrote:
excuse me if i get this wrong but have you been hired as a personal trainer without knowing basic exercises??


the way she describes it is exactly how personal trainers are hired in my country. such a farce really... most of the fitness centres are taking their customers for a ride (I wonder if the poster is from my country Wink )
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