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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Boss Man » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:14 pm

Creatine hows and wherefores.

Loading up on Creatine is 4 scoops a day, every 4 hours. This is done for 5-7 days, Usually 5 should be all you need.

Cycling is done every 2-3 months on with a month off. Smallest cycles are 3 weeks on 1 off.

You take 5g after workouts if you wish, or you can split doses and have approximately half before and half afterwards. Though a full dose may be taken before if you so wish.

You can stack it with a Protein shake as that's fine. Though this may dictate how you consume it if so.

You could do a 10g maintenance dose, though it's not necessary. if you do it's usually touted as 5g post workout then 5g before bed, but if you sleep less than 6 hours after a workout, have it in the morning.

I don't forsee any real need to go beyond the standard 5g.

Monohydrate will cause around 6-10lbs water weight.

Kre-alkalyn around 3-4. Supposedly no cycling, (better to cycle off it though).

Creatine Ethyl Esther, (CEE), no water retention supposedly. Supposedly no cycling, (better to cycle off it though).

Drinking it quickly is a must. It is not stable in water, so it will breakdown in approximately 5-15 minutes. This does not exclude the Gut, it will still cause a convesion to Creatinine whether in vivo or ex vivo. Some people think the faster it is consumed the less chance of conversion, which is wrong, it means more synthesis of stable Creatine, not blocking of the destabilisation process.

Ovviously don't drink Alcohol when using it, as it has an opposing effect to Creatine.

In general Womens Creatinine levels are around 0.5-1.1ng/dl, (Nanograms per decilitre, a Nanogram being a billionth of a Gram). Mens are 0.1 higher on average. Toxic levels are usually 10 ng/dl.

As Creatien is a combination of Amino Acid, it's better synthesised with something like Grape Juice or Gatorade as examples, though if it's stacked in a protein shake with carbs in, or a Carb free one with Carbs you've added, thne that's okay, you won't need additional Carbs.

I say this, as I'm not sure about how much Creatine conversion you'll get at any time, remembering of course people can ingest 2g a day on average, from Meat and Fish.

I'm saying that because I don't know your current levls or how Creatine may affect them, but it's better to be aware of this information. I highly doubt you'll have a problem in that respect.

There were reports about a year after Kre-alkalyn came out, saying that CEE was not necessarily 100% safe, nor could it bypass gut enzymes. If this were true, the Enzymes could strip off the Esther bond, leaving something little betrer than Monohydrate.

CEE was new at the time, so rumours were a Krealkalyn manufacturer put that out to scare people off CEE, but that to my knowledge was never proven one way or the other.

Hopefully that tells oy all you need to know. probably a little more than was necessary, but hey, better to say a bit too much, than not enough :).

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:57 pm

I think I will just stay with the 5 g post workout for now, after today's class I've bone names, joint names, movements etc all jumbled in my head, can't concentrate, putting my jammies on & then sticking my head back inside that manual.Thanks boss man, have a good evening everyone :)

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:32 am

Well I tried to do my cardio today, however its Canada day, so the blasted place was closed...I work today so won't be going later.The entire weekend I will be in class, it will be a 3 day OFF week.I'm not sure I like the numbers going down on the scale anymore, though as long as it is NOT muscle loss.I'm finding I need to raise most of my weights, which should mean I'm building more ?..The next chapter in my manual is muscles, should be interesting, have time for a bit of reading before work. Have a good day everyone :)

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:56 pm

Todays Workout

Chin ups ( full extension )
3 x 8
with
Front Squats
2 x 8 x 95
1 x 7 x 95

Pull ups ( full extension )
3 x 5
with
Deadlifts
3 x 5 x 135

arnold press
3 x 8 x 15 x 2

Bent supinated rows
2 x 8 x 25 x 2

Leg raise w rev crunch
3 x 8

No planks forgot about seniors hour..had the WORST sleep last night, due to my son laughing & yelling at his damn computer, disturbed my sleep at least 2 times. Added to that I have a sinus infection that persists in hanging on, despite antibiotics which didn't work, then nasal spray, back to the doctors.Oh & its time for my infusion next week reason three for tiredness. I did sets between YAWNS & wondered what on earth I was hoping to accomplish if anything ? This workout day sucked is the best way to sum it up.For the rest of the day I can sit in class, hoping to remain alert enough to hear what she says.I already read ahead in the muscle chapter & OMG confusing all those long names :shock: She has a way of making it more understandable, even had a bone song with movement which was rather cool.I allowed myself a second coffee today as its high carb day, that is my one boo boo diet wise for the week, prefer to have zero mistakes but I'm feeling as though I need a pick me up, whether its caffeine or the mental freedom of allowing myself to be normal for a few minutes.Have a great holiday for the americans who drop by & a good weekend for everyone else too :)
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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:12 pm

There is another thing preying on my mind, last summer doing DB squats I injured my left knee.I have an appointment on August 4th with the same doctor that diagnosed my shoulder.I am fearful that it is permanently damaged as is my shoulder, makes a horrible grinding noise when I crouch, that noise makes me cringe inside, making it seem worse.I mention this because after starting this course & knowing the movement possibilities within the knee joint & how lifting can go so horribly wrong with the slightest incorrect form, I'd like to suggest to people just starting out, to find a trainer with lifting knowledge to show you first.I personally will carry on bullheaded no matter what the doctor has to say, he knows me well already, but felt this point of seeking a professional to help beginners should be made, off to school now :)

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby fitoverforty » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:54 pm

Bonnie wrote:I allowed myself a second coffee today as its high carb day, that is my one boo boo diet wise for the week, prefer to have zero mistakes but I'm feeling as though I need a pick me up, whether its caffeine or the mental freedom of allowing myself to be normal for a few minutes
Yes, Bonnie it's okay to allow yourself to be normal for a few minutes! Enjoy your coffee, I think you have more than earned a little treat. :D
Bonnie wrote:I mention this because after starting this course & knowing the movement possibilities within the knee joint & how lifting can go so horribly wrong with the slightest incorrect form, I'd like to suggest to people just starting out, to find a trainer with lifting knowledge to show you first
I think that is very good advice. So many people (like me) do their lifting at home or in the gym with no supervision, and no clue how to do anything properly - and end up getting hurt. There's only so much you can see and learn from youtube demo's.

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby EdgarHF » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:09 pm

Bonnie wrote:There is another thing preying on my mind, last summer doing DB squats I injured my left knee.I have an appointment on August 4th with the same doctor that diagnosed my shoulder.I am fearful that it is permanently damaged as is my shoulder, makes a horrible grinding noise when I crouch, that noise makes me cringe inside, making it seem worse.I mention this because after starting this course & knowing the movement possibilities within the knee joint & how lifting can go so horribly wrong with the slightest incorrect form, I'd like to suggest to people just starting out, to find a trainer with lifting knowledge to show you first.I personally will carry on bullheaded no matter what the doctor has to say, he knows me well already, but felt this point of seeking a professional to help beginners should be made, off to school now :)


I know professional trainers need to put food on the table too and I am not exactly seeing them driving away from the gym in fancy sport car. Nontheless, I wish they weren't so freaking expensive.

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Boss Man » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:17 pm

Bonnie wrote:No planks forgot about seniors hour


I had a strange thought before, about some old woman walking on a treadmill with her zimmer.

Not cool :?.

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:42 am

I've never had a trainer in my life, not sure what they cost, but I'd of rather paid one, to avoid having a debilitating injury or two for the rest of my life.I doubt its necessary to keep one on retainer, but to learn proper techniques etc might be a good idea.While I learn I am told, this is on the test, this is not & that's all good, but I don't want to know just whats on the test I want to know & understand ALL of it .Need some colored markers to color the muscles, amazing how it all comes together to move different parts, makes a chin up seem more like a symphony of collective parts, than just lifting yourself in the air & coming back down.Doubt I can ever look at a workout the same anymore :)

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:19 pm

Yeah this is NOT my first public service job, hairstylists ( which was my first career ) are part shrink also, in fact they probably hear the most, next to a bartender :)

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:46 pm

Well ONE course done, now I need to study for the exam, just finished blindly writing out the bones & muscles with about 97 % success some of the deep small posterior muscles eluded me, tells me I need to pay more attention to those.Feel like I've been out of my natural habitat ( the gym ) for a week.Its OATMEAL day tomorrow, yipee :) Need to take first aid this week so I can begin my " weights course " on July 22 cnd.I actually had to relent & eat an apple this morning because my brain was in such a fog, was second day off, with no fruit or oatmeal, so I opted for the fruit, rest of the diet I managed to maintain amidst the stares of my classmates each time I brought out the tupperware.I was shocked to see two people who appear to be headed to be personal trainers consuming those protein bars, touting the protein properties, so I asked him, what the carb count was..he says I don't worry about carbs..eat as many as possible its all energy, felt like asking how much energy you need to sit on your ass for the rest of the day ? ..they had 36 g of carbs & equally high sugar content.Scarey to think these two will be in a position to teach anyone about nutrition.Hope you all had a great weekend, time for bed then GYM in the morning..YAY !

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Boss Man » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:00 pm

That kind of Carb amount in bars is not necessary. You wouldn't need to go over 25 really. Plus if it's just bad sugars, that's not great, but if it's Polyol content, that's better in my opinion.

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:40 pm

I don't know what kind it was, I DO know the guy was almost as wide as he was tall, looked rather lean from what I could see, the guy looked like a walking tank.Not alot of definition, just big all over.

Todays workout

Chin ups
3 x 8
with
Step ups
3 x 8 x 75

Pull ups
3 x 5
with
Dead lifts
3 x 5 x 135

DB pullovers
3 x 8 x 30

Supported T Bar row
1 x 8 x 45/50/50

Leg raise w rev crunch
3 x 8

Planks
2 x 1 min

Side planks
2 x 30 seconds

Not sure how long I've been on this diet now, but I gotta say my workouts SUCK, I can barely pull off the workout which is annoying at best.However, I ran out of my antidepressants & tryptophan on thursday & only picked them up today, plus its infusion week, something is making me incredibly weak.If I fix the rest & the workouts continue to suck ass as they do now I will be ditching this carb cycling or at least adjusting the amount of complex carbs..1/2 a cup of oatmeal every second or third day is not seeming to work out well.The course I just took only deals with healthy eating though still I don't think Id lose any fat eating completely healthy.I stepped on the scale it is the same as wednesday . As you might be able to tell my mood of late is as lackluster as my amount of energy.I also found myself analyzing each muscle group AS I worked out, as to what was working where etc, took away from my concentration, hope everyone is well.

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby feelin-great » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 am

I hope your adjustments work! I can't imagine cutting out carbs as you have, so I would have to say you handled it pretty well - I probably would have strangled somebody by now :mrgreen:

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Re: New updated workout, out with old in with new..

Postby Bonnie » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:05 am

Yeah, I certainly am not my usual sunny dispositioned self these days for sure :)

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