My Diet. How many calories do i really need

[vamp]

"WHO KNOWS, it's irrelevant!
Your body will fluctuate in weight on a daily basis, and you have no way of knowing your "fat count" from day to day. Measure with the mirror and a measuring tape. You are going to gain some weight, some of it fat, just accept it and move on. It's part of the process and you can use a little fat anyways, right!"

So right Diana!!!

FORGET THE SCALES - They are a bad habit just like smoking, they are bad for you mentally and really tell you nothing except how much static force your body exerts upon a 1 foot square surface. Do you truely think you stand still long enough for this to matter? Will you wear away a floor tile by standing on it because your force is too much preasure for it?

Use body fat % or tape measure or mirror, chuck the scale!!!!

[carefree]

Friday weekly weigh day

2lbs up and fat % up

[DianaB]

Friday weekly weigh day

2lbs up and fat % up

You do now that unless you are doing hydrostatic BF measurements, there is no way you can be certain that your fat % is up. Those tanita scales are not accurate, nor are the hand help BF measurement scales. Hell, calipers are not even accurate most of the time and are dependent upon the expertise of the person measuring.

2lbs can be due to you needing to take a big crap.

Keep eating and stop weighing yourself and don't tell me the "people like you" can't do that. Your just like any one else on this planet, you have the ability to choose.

[carefree]

Friday weekly weigh day

2lbs up and fat % up

2lbs can be due to you needing to take a big crap.
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No it cant be, cos i took some laxatives on the Thursday to help me.

[carefree]

Keep eating and stop weighing yourself and don't tell me the "people like you" can't do that. Your just like any one else on this planet, you have the ability to choose.

Maybe you have never came into someone with a food problem thing, but please believe me when i say i cant do that, it really means i cant. I can cope with the shit (voice) in my head that tells me not to eat but its really hard to do when you put weight on. In fact its near on imposable unless you take drugs or something and i dont do drugs. I dont even drink alcohol any more cos of the calories in it.

I have been having the six meals a day now for a few days but since friday i have found it harder to have the last meal. I have been having six 300 calorie meals, 1800 a day and on gym days an extra protein shake. Today will only be 1600, i just cant do any more today, going to bed now, too knackered.

[outofshape]

oh no not laxatives
they do more harm then good

drop them asap dude

[Boss Man]

It may be laxatives you're on, but even if they're to help you go, you can still have been weighing yourself before a toilet trip possibly.

2lbs increase could be from undigested food, and stored excreta and Urine.

[swanso5]

you just need to rise above it, there's no other way buddy....druggies come off drugs, you can come off this

[vamp]

Just like I tell my 4 year old daughter, can't is a bad word. Every time you use it you fail. It isn't even a word in some cultures and they seem to acheive things so much easier than "us".

Every time you use can't you re-inforce your behaviour, it is the ultimate excuse for those unwilling to try and acheive things worth acheiving because of the effort involved.

Stop being so bloody negative, you are perpetuating the problem through it, your problem isn't an eating disorder its a symptom you have created. And yes, I have taken some phsycology!

cheers
Sorry its so blunt but it seems to upset you enough with bluntness so that you actually pay attention and think about things being said.

[vamp]

Thank you Katie for handling that tactfully, obviously I failed to do so, sorry all.

[vamp]

"As a guide to minimum calorie intake, the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommends that calorie levels never drop below 1200 calories per day for women or 1800 calories per day for men. Even these calorie levels are quite low."

Found this quote, and note the last sentence!

Any Questions? Good, now up your calories, eat the right foods and excercise, nobody has a perfect body and there is never a perfect body weight for a specific height. Doctors recommend you never weigh yourself more than once a week and some say longer. Every day and several times a day is wrong.

cheers

[carefree]

The one thing that really gets me, i can go hours even days without eating, it dont bother me, i dont get hungry i dont think about food but then i get giddy, and that makes me eat as i dont want to pass out. So why is it then, that when i start to eat or start a new plan that i like, and get on with, i cant stop thinking about food, its on my mind consistently. I seem to feel hungrier and if i go near to the 2000 calorie a day, my weight will go up too bloody fast, i went to Barbados in Feb this year on a AI holiday, i thought go for it and see what happens, i came back 20lbs heavier. I soon realised that i am being fattened up like a prized f**king heather. And that simply cant happen again as i have been 26 stone before and i would starve rather than go anywhere near to that again.

I have slightly changed my plan, i read on here that if i was to have up to eight meals a day, starting as soon as i wake, then every 2.5 hours till i go to bed, having protein with every meal and keeping to 300 calories per meal (the last one i will have 200). I start with meal replacement shake, i have loads in the kitchen that i order but never seem to get through. I must admit, the plus point is i never feel stuffed, and i dont feel hungry, and i do seem to have more energy, i was up at 4am this morning and still going strong. I still cant believe i was up at 4am this morning mixing bloody protein shakes, lol. I will do whatever it takes. BUT and i really mean this, if, come Friday i have put on shit loads of weigh that will finish it. I will have to think again. I will have protein shakes, porridge, wholemeal bread sandwiches, tuna, salmon. I will keep to my low fat foods,and i wont touch any foods on my NO list, including the new no thing, alcohol. (that might keep my voice in my head happy) I will go to my gym five time again this week, three weight training and 2 cardio workouts. No laxatives, no supps, just good whole foods, up to 2300 calories a day (depends on how long i am awake) . I will not weigh myself for a week, (well i will try) anyway, i have not gone near the bloody scales since friday, not sure if they work now, i should never have lornched them the way i did .

Thanks for all the replies, you really are so kind.

[DianaB]

Keep eating and stop weighing yourself and don't tell me the "people like you" can't do that. Your just like any one else on this planet, you have the ability to choose.

Maybe you have never came into someone with a food problem thing, but please believe me when i say i cant do that, it really means i cant. I can cope with the shit (voice) in my head that tells me not to eat but its really hard to do when you put weight on. In fact its near on imposable unless you take drugs or something and i dont do drugs. I dont even drink alcohol any more cos of the calories in it.

I have been having the six meals a day now for a few days but since friday i have found it harder to have the last meal. I have been having six 300 calorie meals, 1800 a day and on gym days an extra protein shake. Today will only be 1600, i just cant do any more today, going to bed now, too knackered.

Have I personally ever had an eating disorder: borderline. Have I been exposed to people who fall into this trap: a resounding yes. In the past 25 years, I've known my share of people (though I must say mostly female) who have experienced issues on one level or another, with food.

What I see is that there is a the common theme of victimization i.e, I don't know why I can't eat, I feel sick, I feel fat, therefore I must be unique in this problem and no one can help me because I just CAN'T.

Don't misunderstand me, I do have sympathy for your problem and I recognize that it is very real in your head. I just have a very low tolerance for BS. If you want to change, then you need to take the steps needed to get rid of your negativity. When you are eating a normal diet and feeling so badly about it that you take laxatives the night before you weigh in, there is more going on then what can be fixed in an internet forum.

The food is only a symptom of the root cause. You are in need of professional counseling to get over what ever it is that put you in this place. There is no shame in that. Own your problem, and then you will be able to fix it.

[i]“Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hit, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you are because of him, or her, or anybody.
Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that!â€

[carefree]

Thanks Diana

i know you are right, and yes maybe i do have a bit more of a problem than i admit, even to myself, but as you say its just not a man thing to have, so i suppose i just dont really talk about it to anyone, until i came on to here, but that was not my intentions when i first came on here.

I am now going to have my 6th meal of the day,lol, god knows what i am going to have this time, its really hard to eat when you are simply not hungry. i really do feel stuffed but i must continue with this.
Thanks for your reply
Take care

[Boss Man]

You can do this, but you HAVE to realise you're worth it.

You have to understand what human worth you have, and what value you have. There will be many people in this life, that may not say it to you, and may not really think it, but I'm going to say, yes you admitted you didn't intend to come here and discuss what you have done, but in your own way you should be proud of the fact you did.

You've taken that first step to change, by admitting you have to change, because your situation cannot go on, where you have uneven eating habits, and you think too much about what you should weigh and if you are weighing too much or too little.

You have to believe that are worth this. You can't want something you don't believe in properly, because you won't be able to adhere to it enough. You need to trust yourself that you CAN do it, because if you don't trust yourself, you'll be leaving yourself open to a mistake, and then when you fail you'll believe it's what you are, someone who fails, and who should't try, because you believe not trying is a failure better than trying and failing, becasue not trying doesn't set you up for a fall.

It's not you that kind of thinking. You DO have what it takes to think positively, and you DO have the mental and emotional qualities to do this, and you ARE worth it, and you DESERVE to be happy.

The thing you have done here is say I have a problem, and yes the things you say about I can't, I can't, are identifying what the things you need to change, because you can't hide from your own words, when you can see what they are.

If you want this, you need to be 100% committed, and trust and believe in yourself, and you CAN. There is no reason why you can't do this, and you need to know that the fact you spoke about this, shows that you in some way value yourself, enough to change, and not stay in a downward spiral, and for that you should at least be proud of yourself, so don't lose Heart alright fella, because there is no reason why you can't do this.