nitric oxide advice please

Yes, but the eveidence is out there, somewhere on the internet, to sustain a motion of no confidence in NO.

NO is not 100% rubbish, but whatever it does do, probably isn't worth the money, and big Pumps don't equate to big gains. Enhanced inflation and blood flow into muscles you train, and possibly increased re-oxygenation times, allowing for slightly smaller rest periods between sets, may slightly increase potential Microtear levels, but NO is not really Anabolic, it's not what you could call a Protein synthesiser, and it doesn't really induce more GH production, either by Pituitary or Hypothalamic stimulation, nor does it necessarily stimulate highly elevated Test levels, or boost Protein or BCAA synthesis, by creating significant Insulin spikes.

I'm 99.99% certain it doesn't do any of those things, either to any tangible level, or even at all.

Something like an Arginine in the Ketglutarate form, not just bog standard, would create some NO production, and increase things like Wound healing, and other benefits Arginine gives you.

You might get better results eating some Peanuts, about 30-60 minutes before training, as Peanuts are apprently quite Arginine rich, and the Fatty Acids, Potential Zinc and any Vit E, would positively interact with your body, in relation to Test and GH production.

i have tried it, straight arginine in it's simplest form yrs ago

Well the science aside. I have tried it and I know what it does. Perhaps it has something to do with the stimulants in it I’m not sure. I do know it gives me a profound sense of energy like nothing else I have ever tried. It also gives me a feeling like I want to pick up a truck, smash my head through a wall or bend barbells in half. It revs me up like crazy. It’s hard to explain. I know for a fact I can pump more weight and pump out more reps after I drink some. So if I can train harder with way more intensity won't that lead to bigger gains?

I am no supplement rep I am just speaking from experience. I know I'm not the only one who thinks this way about NO products. I have had lots of friends try it with the same results as me most people love it. Some say it does nothing.

What can I say I guess seeing is believing

It could be varying factors, like what other things some manufacturers put in ,and yes, you might ge some bigger lifts, but all depends on what you're getting out of it.

if it somehow helped you get 10% on a Bench press, then yeah, okay, maybe it does work to a point, but if it gives someone 2 or 3 extra reps, it's workable, but not worth the money.

I've never said NO is pretty much garbage, but I personally don't think it's necessarily worth the money for potentially what it does.

the ole placebo effect...

I will agree that it might not be worth the money. But I still have to say it does have an effect

Oh it definitely will have some effect, that's not in doubt, but how much is the debateable part.

I have to agree with lens_d that it works, its been my first week on whey and NO and I find that I am able to lift better faster and heavier and don't feel tired or sore at all post my work out. its really amazing how my body has responded to the stuff.

Not to sound nouty, but how can you prove it worked then? You've started taking two things together. If you'd been using Whey for some time, then added NO, maybe, but taking both together on the same day, or very close together start points, doesn't prove if only one or both work.

Proof if NO worked, would be if you'd been gaining with Whey in the mix for a few months, stalled, started using NO as well, then gotten over a plateau.

What you've done is not necessarily isolated two seperate things, and tried them for long enough, to see any benefits from one or the other, so by lumping them together, pretty much at the same time, if one is doing very little, and the other provides most of the results, how would you know?

@ Bossman- Very true , your argument is logical and correct. But to be honest a lot apart for me have said the same thing. From your post I understand your not into any form of Supplements? Are you natural body building ? If so , what do vegans take? I am one (only none vegan thing i take is Whey, rice/soy / seaweed proteins aren't available here ).

Have you tried looking around online for Soy protein supps? Many of us here stick to Whey protein and a multivitamin (if that).

I don't mind supplements. Just dont like ones that seem to have no real point, and especially ones that cost an arm and a leg, and just give you slightly accelleraed gains, gains that are possible with normal supps or even no supps at all.

3 supps I would reccomend are

1. Protein powder.

2. Glutamine.

3. BCAA's.

@ Boss man- I take extreme power whey complex by Biox and NO i have N.O.K.O i have found a shop that sells a better variety.

@ lesplease- I have tried looking for Soy/ Rice and seaweed protiens but they are not avaliable here, people are not aware of Veganism here . I do take Centrum A-Zinc for three weeks and then take a break for a week.

What is an N.O.K.O.? Does that mean Nitric Oxide Knock Out or something like that? Just sounds like posh NO supplement, or some B.S. type, with a dynamic sounding name, that doesn't do anything more than just NO.

P.S the following is an amalgamation of two old posts I wrote, discussing how supplement companies can promote expensive or pointless supplements and make you want them.

The whole thing is basially a spoof, to highlight how they might do such things. Similarities to any companies or products that may exist now, is a coincidence.




New from Blade Nutrition, comes arguably one of our most premier cutting edge products to date.

Vol-U-Pump

Vol-U-Pump is not your ordinary product. Our futuristic technology, allows us to combine some of the finest muscle development ingredients, money can buy.

The main advantage to Vol-U-Pump, is that it is an advanced combination of NO, Kre-alkalyn Creatine, and 5-HTP, all coupled together in one unique volumising blend, that will max your Pumps like never before.

No and Creatine have been cleverly combined, to greatly expand your Bloodvessels, and boost your energy levels, so you have the required energy releases and vascular capacity, you need, to accellerate blood into your muscles, faster, harder, and more precisely, than any other similar product of its type.

5-HTP increases your Seratonin levels, to relax you, allowing you to be more zoned in to your workouts, to help maximise your concentration, and muscle responsiveness.

The patented soluble blend, mixes almost lightening fast in water, with virtually zero after taste, so no need to worry about temporary side effects, to oral receptors.

Vol-U-Pump is what your muscles have always wanted, but have never be allowed to have, until now!!!

If you want insanely mindblowing pumps, and growth potential, that can almost rival prohormones, it has to be Vol-U-Pump.





Sizes include 500g, 1kg and 2.5kg.

500g, 3 week supply, normally $40, but order before 1st March 2008, and get 500g for just $22, yes just $22.

Blade Nutrition products, the best your body can get.

New from Blade Nutrition, comes arguably one of our most premier cutting edge products to date.

(Flashy company name, to make you think the products might be cool as well)

Vol-U-Pump

(Flashy Product name to make you want it straight away)

Vol-U-Pump is not your ordinary product. Our futuristic technology, allows us to combine some of the finest muscle development ingredients, money can buy.

(Futuristic technology, just words. You'd almost never get to know what that technology actually was)

The main advantage to Vol-U-Pump, is that it is an advanced combination of NO, Kre-alkalyn Creatine, and 5-HTP, all coupled together in one unique volumising blend, that will max your Pumps like never before.

(Advanced combination, yeah but most people wouldn't know how such things are combined anyway. I'm pretty sure nobody has created an NO-Cre mix with 5-HTP before, but just making any NO-Cre mix sound advanced is B.S.

No company will tell you how it's advanced process works, so realistically it could be the same process as anyone else. In this instance the product contains Kre-alkalyn with NO, and not Monohydrate, which would make the product better, but that's probably the only way.)

No and Creatine have been cleverly combined, to greatly expand your Bloodvessels, and boost your energy levels, so you have the required energy releases and vascular capacity, you need, to accellerate blood into your muscles, faster, harder, and more precisely, than any other similar product of its type.

(Again cleverly combined is just words. They could be combined in the same ways as other companies do, and you wouldn't know, I'm just making you think that thing, about the supposed better combining of NO and Cre, is real, by saying it again, but differently.

First I said "advanced process", then "cleverly combined", which like I say are just words. No company will tell you how they do this, so you've no proof its a better way of combining NO and Cre than other people use.)

5-HTP increases your Seratonin levels, to relax you, allowing you to be more zoned in to your workouts, to help maximise your concentration, and muscle responsiveness.

(5-HTP does do that, but zoning you into workouts, is like saying it works like Caffeine, which is not really true, it's releases Seratonin a mood hormone, it's not really a stimulant I don't think.)

The patented soluble blend, mixes almost lightening fast in water, with virtually zero after taste, so no need to worry about temporary side effects, to oral receptors.

(Oral receptors is a clever way of saying Taste Buds, and unless you eat strong Curries for years, or very hot drinks a lot, Taste bud side effects are usually only mild loss of taste, or possibly occasional pain increases. I doubt such eating habits would do anything else to the Tongue, so most mixable supplement powders, that taste bad, don't cause anything than a bad taste that stays for a while, certainly I would say no damage whatsoever to the surface of the Tongue.)

Vol-U-Pump is what your muscles have always wanted, but have never be allowed to have, until now!!!

(Total B.S. as in that case you could use something like NO-Explode, and then take 5-HTP seperately, probably exactly if not better results doing that.)

If you want insanely mindblowing pumps, and growth potential, that can almost rival prohormones, it has to be Vol-U-Pump.

(No evidence to support that, so if a company says it rivals anything else, it's just a claim with often no proof)


Sizes include 500g, 1kg and 2.5kg.

500g, 3 week supply, normally $40, but order before 1st March 2008, and get 500g for just $22, yes just $22.

(The regular price of $40 for a small 3 week tub, is to make you think it must be good for that price, but not too expensive, that you'll not want it. I'm selling you this size for nearly 50% off, to get you to want it.

If you buy it fast enough within that 2 month period, you'll get 1 tub, then after 3 weeks a second tub, then after 6 weeks a third, so if you end up after 2 months using your third 500g tub, you're going to be hooked, then ready to pay the higher prices.

If I sell you small tubs, at a great price, and you don't like it, getting rid of maybe 10-14 days worth to someone, for about $10, might be easier for you, and if they don't like it, at least they pay a lot less than they would, for a partly used larger tub, so they might want your leftover stuff more.

Plus you won't go on the internet and say bad stuff about it so much, if you only had to get rid of a little tub, not a bigger one that costs more, and if you buy 3 tubs of 500g at the promo price for 2 months, you'll pay more than you would for a 1kg tub at the standard price, so selling you that smaller size cheaply for a while, makes it easier to hook you, when you know if it's not working, you've spent less and have less to sell on or ditch.

If I try to give you a great deal on a 2.5kg tub, or a 1kg tub, I risk you possibly finding after a week or 10 days, you might not like it, then you've got 2kg's+ or about 75% of the 1kg tub left, (depending on which size you bought), to either sell to friends, or flog on E-bay for less than you paid, or just bin it.

Most people won't want a load of your leftover stuff, incase a week later they don't like it either, and get stuck with over 1.5kg's, or about 500g themselves.

That will piss you off having to get rid of over 2kg's, or 750g of powder you don't like using, and you might go on the internet and say loads of bad stuff about the product, potentially putting other people off it.)


Blade Nutrition products, the best your body can get.

(Anyone can say that about their products, doesn't mean it's true)

The NO battle will never be over. lol kinda funny