Getting Faster Using Weights

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:00 pm

That's kind of true, but someone with shorter Arms has a smaller range of motion, which can be a positive thing for shorter people.

The ability to build up, would partly depend on the persons ability to produce GH, and their natural test levels too, not just diet, exercise and sleep.

Some people do have genetic differences, I.E. Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph.

Bruce Lee could easily have been Ectomorphic, which is why he might have struggled to pack on another 20 lbs of mass, if he'd wanted it, but an Endo guy would probably find it easier, even if he was the same height.

Yes we do have pretty much the same muscles, all barring birth anomelies, but certain hormones and body type genetics also play a part. Similar results may be likely for some, but not I would think guaranteed for all, even with the same kind of training and diet.

TheAmazingOti · Post by **TheAmazingOti** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:24 pm

And I believe most people, even on this site, overestimate that factor.

It doesn't matter what type of body he had. He ate a good diet that didn't allow him to get uselessly big, and he worked out religiously. That would yield amazing results for ANYONE.

Joesportstalk · Post by **Joesportstalk** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:44 pm

Boss Man wrote:That's kind of true, but someone with shorter Arms has a smaller range of motion, which can be a positive thing for shorter people.

The ability to build up, would partly depend on the persons ability to produce GH, and their natural test levels too, not just diet, exercise and sleep.

Some people do have genetic differences, I.E. Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph.

Bruce Lee could easily have been Ectomorphic, which is why he might have struggled to pack on another 20 lbs of mass, if he'd wanted it, but an Endo guy would probably find it easier, even if he was the same height.

Yes we do have pretty much the same muscles, all barring birth anomelies, but certain hormones and body type genetics also play a part. Similar results may be likely for some, but not I would think guaranteed for all, even with the same kind of training and diet.

type of muscle is important too, fast twitch fibers or slow twitch fibers can be more dominant in one person than another, this is all genetic.
The motor nuerons that effect these types of fibers will also play a role in your fitness size and or development.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:35 pm

Physiologically speaking, we are all basically the same. We all have the same muscles that respond the same way to the same stress.

i'm fast twitch dominant, would training for endurance help me get bigger faster or stronger?

if so then how?

TheAmazingOti · Post by **TheAmazingOti** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:29 pm

Most people are roughly equal in their fiber types. Training accounts for any significant difference in the two.

Swanso, no. Endurance training doesn't lead to hypertrophy, strength or speed.

A personal trainer should know that...

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:27 pm

the oponjt is there are different stresses you can put on the body that will respond in different ways...yes i could train as hard, as frequent and exactly like bruce lee did but i will never be or barely relicate anything bruce lee was or could do even if we are "1 of the same"

physiologically we are the same, genetically we are not

TheAmazingOti · Post by **TheAmazingOti** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:51 pm

Well, the physical training wouldn't making you a great fighter like he was. As far as his feats of strength go, though, you'd be able to replicate them.

Genetics, while it is a difference, is not a big deal.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:20 am

anything is possible but i'll be realistic, even if i was to do everything he did exactly, i doubt i'd be able to do even 5% of the things he could do

did he prescribe to meditation, mental training that sort of thing? that would have made difference also

TheAmazingOti · Post by **TheAmazingOti** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:44 am

And I don't believe you. I honestly believe you could reach his level of fitness if you put in his amount of work. That's the catch, though. You'd have to put in BRUCE LEE effort. Training three times a day, six days a week, always training, always working, using every day to progress. Most people these days can't even IMAGINE that kind of work.

Meditation, not that I know of. Mental training, sort of. He cultivated his mind by reading every fitness thing he could find, as well as studying philosophy in college.

HoustonTexan · Post by **HoustonTexan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:29 pm

I really wish I knew how much he ate because that sounds like overtraining unless he ate a lot. I really don't know A LOT about the guy I just knew that he ran everyday 2-6 miles and that he weight trained Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:18 pm

well as it turns out we all don;t have the time and resources to train 3 times a day, 6 days a week so we need to be realistic

it's the same as all the chicks trying to follow the madonna workout style which is 3hrs a day everyday with the perfect-professional-chef-at-home -cooking-you-everything-whenever-you need-it-diet as well

Boss Man · Post by **Boss Man** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:31 pm

There's also different levels of FTF's as well. I read something a few years back, where apparently if you want to kick the arse off type one's, do 1-3 rep sets. If you ant to kick the arse off type two's, do 4-6, and for type three's do 7-10.

That's roughly what was said from memory, but someone else had posted the article, on a now defunked board, so I can't think where the heck it was unfortnately, or I'd link it.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:22 pm

mainly because of training i'm very fast twitch dominant and naturally i'm more a fast then a slow and always have been so anything above 10 reps for me can be a struggle...i can do chin ups for sets of 3 w/ 40 - 50kgs strapped to me yet i can only do probably 15 bodyweight chin up reps...i'll be going strong and then bang, i'm out

TheAmazingOti · Post by **TheAmazingOti** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:37 pm

If you want to know how he trained and ate, pick up a copy of The Art of Expressing the Human Body. That's why that book was written; to finally cover those questions. What did he do, how many times, how often, what did he eat, etc.

Just because you don't have the available time to train as much as he does doesn't mean that training the way he did wouldn't give you his results. Your point of being "realistic" was irrelevant at best.

And about the Madonna thing, it's nothing like that. Bruce's training is based on doing what you need to do to improve at what you do. His sport was fighting, but his training techniques can be applied to baseball, basketball, football, sprinting, anything. As for his diet, again, there is no specific menu. He did exactly what you tell people to do all the time. Eat clean and eat often.

As for the fibers, I believe there's two types of fast twitch. There's type A and type B. That same source also recommends doing upwards of 10 reps to target these fibers, so maybe it's not so reliable.

swanso5 · Post by **swanso5** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:59 pm

Just because you don't have the available time to train as much as he does doesn't mean that training the way he did wouldn't give you his results. Your point of being "realistic" was irrelevant at best.

any type of training will give some results, but i thought wew were talking about "getting bruce lee abilities"results

As for the fibers, I believe there's two types of fast twitch. There's type A and type B. That same source also recommends doing upwards of 10 reps to target these fibers, so maybe it's not so reliable.

yeah not so reliable...move a sub max wt quickly or move a max wt with the intent of moving it quickly and stopping a set whn the quality (speed, form etc) breaks down...they're main points for fast fibres