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Frenchmaid1969
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Raw eggs and diet

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Hello everyone :D

I feel like I have not been here for years.
Just need some approval on this please. friend got this for a bodybuilder to help her out to burn fat, here is what he told her to do and she pass it on to me too I'm just wondering if its ok"

There is the quick diet (diet 1 and diet 2 that I have to alternated one day for diet 1 and 2 days for diet 2 and continue like this for 2 weeks) to help out and then the maintaining diet. I also went to Kebbo supplement yesterday and bought some protein powder...

Eat every 2 hrs and do this for 2 weeks
Diet 1
Meal 1 (8 eggs white) cooked
Meal 2 (40 g whey protein with almond milk/milk or water
Meal 3 (6oz of chicken with 1 cup of asparagus or green been or brocolie
Meal 4 (6oz of fish (tilapia, bossa, tuna) with a green salad and vinegar and mustard
Mean 5 (35 g whey protein or 10 eggs white (cooked)

Diet 2 (for 2 days)
Meal 1 (2 whole egg + 6 eggs white
Mean 2 (35 g whey protein with 1 table spoon of all natural peanut butter
Meal 3 (6oz chicken with 1/4 cup of almond, cashews, walnut (alternate)
Meal 4 (6oz of salmon or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red pepper, or carrot( with 1 table spoon of olive oil and vinegar
Meal 5 (35g Whey protein with 1 table spoon of all natural peanut butter)

Then after 2 weeks do this

Monday to Friday you follow this:
Meal 1: 1 scoop protein powder, 1/2 cup of white, 1 omega 3 egg, berries, pineapple, strawberry, 1 table spoon aprox of olive oil, you can add almond milk or water to fill the rest

or
You can have a protein pancake with fruit as listed above.

Meal 2 : 1 cup Greek yogurt, or 1 cup of cottage cheese with berries or a banana, and hand full of cashew or almonds

Meal 3: 4oz. of protein (chicken breast, ground turkey) with a large salad with olive oil and balsamic dressings or broccoli or steamed greens (as much as you and 15 cashews or almond.

Meal 4 : Protein shake 1 rounded scoop, 1 piece of fruit, (apple, banana or pear) 2 table spoon of peanut butter

Meal 5 : 4 0z of salmon or trout or red meat, 2 cups of green beans or broccoli or large salad with olive oil and balsamic (u can have tomatoes and small amount of feta) and 15 almond

Meal 6: Protein shake 1 rounded scoop with 1/4 egg white, and almond milk, 2 tables spoons of peanut butter (you can heat the peanut butter and add it to your shake)

Saturday and SundayMeal 1: 1 scoop protein powder, 1/2 cup of white, 1 omega 3 egg, berries, pineapple, strawberry, 1 table spoon aprox of olive oil, you can add almond milk or water to fill the rest

or
You can have a protein pancake with fruit as listed above.

Meal 2 : 1 cup Greek yogurt, or 1 cup of cottage cheese with berries or a banana, and hand full of cashew or almonds

Meal 3: 4 oz of protein (chicken breast, ground turkey) with a large salad with olive oil and balsamic dressings or broccoli or steamed greens (as much as you and and 15 cashews or almond.

Meal 4 : Protein shake 1 rounded scoop, 1 piece of fruit, (apple, banana or pear) 2 table spoon of peanut butter

Meal 5 : cheat meal

Meal 6 : Protein shake 1 rounded scoop, 1/4 cup eggs white and almond milk
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I'm not completely okay with that plan.

Firstly the fish content is a heavy metal risk. Tuna is recommended at 3 portions a week, owing to the metal content, but combine that with other fish during the week and there is a slight risk of metal accumulation, so that fish option could be substituted 4 days a week for something like chicken, turkey, beef, pork or lamb.

Where the plan mentions a protein shake, it doesn't say if the shake should be carb free or with added carbs, as some have carbs and some are almost carb free and it doesn't mention whether it's concentrate, isolate, hydrolysate, casein, soy or vegetable / legume based, as some protein powders like the latter two are designed for vegans.

I also don't understand what is meant by diet 1 and diet 2, it could mean one follows the other or is an alternative too it, and I don't understand why the second diet should be done for 2 days, as that makes no sense. A sensible diet plan would consist of something people can stick to daily, not eat this for 2 days and in this case as well, alter your eating at weekends.

There's no need for someone to change how they eat at weekends, unless they didn't train at weekends, but then they could adjust their calories by around 10%-20% lower, to account for the lack of additional calorie burn, a goodly amount of "helpful" exercise would normally encourage and also the lack of need for added calories for the body to use as fuel for workouts, if no exercise at the weekend was the reason for the change in calories, it should have been mentioned

The 8 egg whites are not quantified as being from big or small eggs, as there's a difference of roughly about 1g protein in the albumen, but even from large whites there's roughly 4.5g in the albumen, which would mean 144 calories for breakfast and no carbs for energy, or to increase lowered blood sugar or fuel the brain and frankly 36 calories for breakfast is too low, the person could be eating around 2-3 times that which would be including some carbs and a bit of healthy fat and by carbs I don't mean starchy things, or stuff like bread and pasta, I mean anything with carbs in it.

I say that as some people say don't eat carbs, as if things like legumes, vegetables and fruits that contain carbs, are a totally different food group to bread, pasta and whole-grains, which they're not, the only differences is what carbs I.E, fructose, lactose, maltose etc.

I don't see the point of eating a certain way for 2 weeks, then eating differently thereafter. If someone is on a weight loss diet, then it makes sense to have something you can stick to for weeks and then make tweaks at a later date.

One meal on the plan says a handful of almonds, then the next one says 15 cashews or almonds, so I don't understand why one meal requires a specific amount of nuts, but the other an approximate amount.

Then it seems there are subtle differences between the Monday to Friday eating and the weekend eating, that being that on Monday to Friday you have two table spoons of peanut butter in your protein shake at the end of the day, but leave them out on weekends.

However on weekends you replace the fish / meat option in meal 5 with a cheat meal on both days, this assumes that somehow the bad calories eaten on both days can be compensated for by not having the two table spoons of peanut butter and the peanut butter is not listed as with or without salt, as too much salt contributes to water retention and elevated blood pressure, this assumes however the that the cheat meal would be approximately 190 calories more than the regular meal 5 consumed on week days. as that is how much 2 table spoons of peanut butter is, 190 calories approximately.

Personally I would not recommend people trying to lose weight have cheat meals on two consecutive days, it would be better to have one cheat meal a week, because you might not be completely counteracting any weight loss that week, with two cheat meals, but you could be hindering it and if that means losing 0.5-1lb a week, as opposed to 1.5-2lbs, then having two instead of one makes no sense to me.

Also one of the salad options says no red pepper, tomatoes or carrot, but doesn't explain why.

Diet 2 says for 2 days but doesn't explain if they're consecutive, or split days or even why you eat like that for 2 days.

This whole plan is too confusing and strange. It doesn't seem to promote consistency of eating, as it chops and changes a bit too much and it doesn't explain why you do or don't do some things and one or two breakfasts are too carb and calorie free when they could be higher than that, unless the person thought just eating egg whites for breakfast was so the person could then workout and protect muscle mass when working out, but then they should have said that if that was the thinking.

Cardio on empty has been shown to promote dizzy spells anyway and to be honest that would be down to lowering your blood sugar when it's already low and not having anything to counteract this like carbs, or even secondary energy like fat to use, as a way of the body trying to stabilise its own blood sugar lowering attempts.

Also the initial plan says eat every 2 hours, which means if the person eats meal 1 at say 7AM, they'll eat their last meal at 3PM and pretty much most or all of the nutrition will be processed by around 6PM, leaving the person with 13 hours of no eating or nutrition which could lead to muscle catabolism and loss of muscle could counteract fat burning, as add muscle improves the metabolism by around 45-50 calories a day for every additional 1lb, but to lose any would reduce the metabolic advantages of muscle and I would not recommend that someone trying to lose weight not eat for 16 hours and subsist on no nutrient processing for 13 hours.

I often post this for people, which I think will work okay and I'm quite happy to field questions about it if there's aspects of it you're not sure about :).

Breakfast

Option 1.

Bowl of Whole-grain Cereal and scrambled Eggs, (2 Egg Whites + Yolk)

Option 2.

Protein shake, small portion of Nuts, (excluding higher carb ones like Cashews, Chestnuts and Grapenuts).


Snack

Option 1.

Portion of Turkey + Orange

Option 2.

Small Portion of Peanuts, some Chicken


Lunch

Option 1.

Large Beef Sandwich with trimmings, I.E. Tomato, Lettuce, Cucumber etc.

Option 2.

Bowl of Chicken Soup, + Pot of yoghurt.


Snack

Option 1.

Turkey + Cashews

Option 2.

Ham + 2 large Tomatos


Dinner

Option 1.

Pork with mashed Potato.

Option 2.

Chicken and Rice

Option 3.

100g Halibut + Broccoli


Snack

Option 1.

Beans on Toast

Option 2.

Ham Sandwich, no trimmings.

Easy on the bread with both options.

You could add a few things to certain meals, like Sea Salt, Cracked Black Pepper, Parsley, Mustard, Herbs, Garlic.
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Re: Raw eggs and diet

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hum.... ok....Thanks BossMen!

So this is not so good for me I guess.. So I guess I would not lose weight...

She told me that its call Keto Diet that body builder does that to lose the fat they have!
I just wanted to lose weight quick as usual.. since summer is here and nothing fits... :o

She told me she lost more then 5 lbs. in 2 weeks

and looking at weight now and age I really don't think its very healthy, I am not huge but for sure 50 lbs. overweight.

I'm 5'3 and when I weight myself this morning I was 185.9 so its very very depressing. Its seem it take for ever to lose weight.

Its not good to eat fish? Tipila

How about the protein powder.... was it a waste of money cause it cost me lots.... if you want I can take a picture or tell you what kind it it but on it there is a weight for how many scoop you should take but for weight I would need like 5 scoop and they are 100 calorie each make no sence!
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Re: Raw eggs and diet

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Oh I forgot how about raw egg and raw eggs white.... is it save to take this in your shake or what the chance to get salmonella?
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Re: Raw eggs and diet

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OK so really what do I need to do ... I'm really sick and tired to being like this its gross me out... to bend over and feel those roll on belli or in back that show through shirt. I really have to do something about it but there is so many place that tell you to do this and that that I get really confusing... some say no carbs other say 1 200 a day calories, some is 1 500 a day ... puff.... its too much info I just feel like giving up but I don't like to be this way!
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Re: Raw eggs and diet

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Some raw eggs contain a salmonella virus, that can be killed when cooking them, so you may need to check what source the eggs are from, but if concerned, don't put them in the shake and scramble them instead.

As for Fish containing heavy metals, yes you can get metal toxicity from too much metal consumption, which is why Tuna, even the light stuff is recommended at three times a week, but with other fish like the one you mentioned you could have a bit more on a weekly basis, but again you should still limit it. I'd recommend not having more than 100g per day.

This could be done in one of two ways where you have the whole amount in one meal with a carb source, or perhaps 2 x 50g portions low metal fish a day, with a carb source, then add something like peas, beans, lentils, mushrooms or rice in there, as they contain amino acids and carbs, so you top up your protein intake from the fish with one or two of those options and then get some added carb. It would then be wise to reduce the amount of carbs from your carb source to allow for this in case you consume too much carb and the excess turns to fat.

Hopefully that all makes sense.
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