Is alcohol that bad?

[HipposPlod2]

when i decided to embark on this journey, i decide to quit drinking. i have read too many article mention how alcohol is bad.

I know it contains LOTS of sugars, but is that the only reason why alcohol is bad for someone trying to live a healthy lifestyle?

[fitoverforty]

Yes, alcohol IS that bad:
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[swanso5]

it takes 3 - 5 days to rid the body of alcohol

alcohol is poison

theb body doesn't like poison

when poison is present then the only thing the body wants to do is get rid of it, no muscle building, no fat burning til it's gone

so everytime you drink you're putting yourself back 5 days AT LEAST, not to mention all the shit you eat vbefore, during and after you drink

[Boss Man]

1 Unit of Alcohol takes an hour to process. 1 unit is about 1/2 a pint of mild beer.

Alcohol Carbs are 7 calories per gram, normal Carbs 4. Some Alcohols are creamy based as well, so lots of bad fats.

Baileys, named and shamed.

If yoiu want the Catchin Anti-oxidents in Beer and Wine, you can get them in Legumes.

If you want Grape anti-oxidents, eat Grapes. Two main consitutents of Wine are Grapes and Alcohol Sugars, (occasionally anti-freeze, but that's usually illicit and dangerous stuff, made by dumb, French, petty criminals), and they say Wine is good for the Heart, I wonder which of the two constituents does that then?

Incidentally, not really a great idea to post anti-alcohol rehetoric, when you're pictured holding a beer bottle.

Not being rude, just making an ironic observation .

[swanso5]

i'm not asking about it, he is

i know what it does

[HipposPlod2]

geez, im glad i asked this question. i am printing this thread will post on fridge so as a reminder of why i should be happy not to touch another glass of alcohol ever again.

[toefa]

Yeah good thread.

I thought a beer after a long day of working out wouldnt hurt a bit. I was very wrong.

[Seminole]

Great information but I love beer and red wine so I guess I am screwed even though I lost 40 LBS

[Seminole]

All things in moderation. You just have to do it responsibly (see beer+pizza thing above) and for crying out loud, take a cab.

That is very true and yes I always take cabs. This is beer drinking season with so much football on once the season comes to an end I then will really cut back but it really is the only vice I have left.

By the way I really enjoy your posts they are informative and sometimes very funny

[Seminole]

Yeah good thread.

I thought a beer after a long day of working out wouldnt hurt a bit. I was very wrong.

You need to get your energy after a w/o, so I'd wait a few hours for your post w/o meal to digest before crackin' open a cold one.

Do 12oz curls count as a workout? I also go up and down cellar stairs each time I need a beer so that is a good workout as well?

[Boss Man]

Alcohol might be used to sterilise, but it isn't necessary to consume.

The problerm with alcohol is, alcoholic ingredients things like Barley, Cherries, Peach, Grapes etc etc, all contain good stuff like Anti-oxidents, Vit C, Beta-glucan, etc etc, depending on the ingredients.

Those things are best consumed the way they are.

Alcohol must be an issue, when you think only Alcohol carbs are 7 caloies per gram, there are no other Carb types I've ever heard of, with more than 4 calories per gram except for Alcohol.

Even the Catechins found in Beer and Wine, can be sourced in Legumes.

Moderation counts for little, when you consider even in healthy people, Alcohol can do something, like impair peoples responses and vision. so you can take it as read, any consumption, within minutes of something like driving, promotes increased risk for a time, to the individual, passengers and other road users, the amount not withstanding.

Alcohol isn't necessary. It requires a fermentation or distilling process, which is used in pretty much no other circumstances, unless the fermentation of Soy happens the same way. I'm not familiar with that.

Essentially even something that might require multiple ingredients like a Stir-fry or a Casserole, might result in slight changes to Carb, Protein and Fat levels, and possible denaturing of Proteins, but realistically, except for some Fats in high heat scenarios, anything you can consume with multiple ingredients, shouldn't create a conversion to anything, during the creation process.

However when you look at other conversions like Oil to Petrochemicals, Flaxseed Oil to Linseed Oil, Tobacco ignition converting to smoke. All those examples create end products, that aren't healthy for anyone to ingest nasally or orally, but applying the moderation principles, you could argue, one slight whiff of a Cigar up someones nose, won't seriously elevate Cancer risk, but it's still a substance carrier that's not good for the body.

So there is a point there, where you could say, anything that is the result of a conversion process, isn't what the human body should require. One possible exception being Cheese and associated products like Whey and also Milk to Yoghurt via Kefir addition, but that's two natural substances creating a conversion process that requires no heating, cooling, chemicals, additives, or any catalyst substances to create the conversion, plus end stage Kefir is theoretically Lactose free, so should pose no risk to anyone with a known food intolerance, as far as I'm aware. Though normal Cheese and Milk can, so even then a conversion process is an issue for some, but that's down to the persons genetics with dairy, not a by product of the conversion.

The heating process used in a lot of Alcoholic substances may even sap some of the goodness the ingredients might provide, making their consumption less worthwhile.

The relationship of Alcohol to Insulin, could be seen as different to other Carbs, because of the higher caloric value, and Alcohols fast assimilation. Plus it takes 1 hour to process a unit in the Liver as explained earlier. That is a lot of work for the Liver to do, in light of it's need to produce Cholesterol, Bile and no doubt do other things. A lot of work to process what in some cases like Wine, could be a liquid amount that weighs virtually nothing, yet requires 1 hour of processing, plus a lot of Endocrine activity, to produce Digestive Enzymes, to help breakdown and prepare the Alcohol, including Beta-glucanase for the Beta-glucan in Beer Barley.

One major issue here would be the need to do this. Most people could probably consume a quantity of Malt, Barely and Water, okay no hops, with no problems at all.

Same for Wine. All the Grape goodness, without the issues, same for any other things like Apples, Pears, Cherries, Peaches etc etc, used in other Alcohols, and even things like Peas, Potatos, Berries etc etc in homemade wines. The goodness is in the primary product, not the secondary result, where the process involved worsens the ingredients, by creating a scenario, where their consumption carried previously non-existant, or significantly lowered health risks, pre-conversion.

Frankly there's some Barley in Breakfast cereal. I'd rather eat it that way, then consume it, with a load of unnecessary and highly caloric bad sugars and possibly Fats as well.

Moderation might be a possibility, but most people could never and don't consistantly adhere to it, every day of every week, even with access to facts and figures. Especially when providers do things like happy hours, cheap prices, 2 for ones etc etc, or Christmas discounts.

The bottom line here is Alcohol in any level is a pointless thing. There some things worth the time and effort for people to acheive, like lower weight, better bone density, grilled meat and poultry etc etc, but alcohol will never be one of them.

[swanso5]

Total disinformation!!!!!.Alcohol is not that bad. As with everything moderation is key.
Your own body produces alcohol. Alcohol improves blood circulation and kills bacteria when used in moderation(2 12oz of beers, 5 oz of wine, or 1.5 of liquor daily). Alcohol is processed & gotten rid of at a rate of 1.5 oz per hour not 3 to 5 days. May be you referring to hangover which lasts 2 to 3 days not 3 to 5 days. Food like corn contain alcohol & that's where ethanol and high fructose corn syrup are derived from.

so to improve blood circulation i'll have a slab tonight?

and testosterone levels won't take a hammering either....

goodness

[Boss Man]

I should clarify, that when I referred to fermentation processes, I was referring to industrial processes, not ones that may occur in vivo .

[eran112003]

thanks fitover40 and les wondrful sites and information. i hope i can quit. i am like for 16 yrs in workout and bodybuilding stuff. also i use aşcohol. when i drunk much the other day i feel very tired and dont want to go gym. and whatever i do i cant burn fat.