HELP and advise Please!

[vamp]

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[Boss Man]

Two things to bear in mind.

Agonists work opposite Antagonists. Hamsting muscles versus Quads. Biceps versus Triceps.

That is the fact.

Muscles do relax yes, when not contracting, but without the Antagonist to the one that's caused the contraction, the muscle could not relax to begin with.

Also if one of the muscles becomes too dominant, it could easily affect the way the opposite muscle can function, leading to difficulties with either walking, or normal use of the Arms, depending on the muscles involved in the problem.

The Brain will actually instruct the muscles to relax, because there has to be an electrical signal, carried via the CNS and PNS, to the Antagonist that's reversing a contraction, otherwise lack of such stimulus, would create an inability for such muscles to relax at all.

I tried that forearm grip testing, and frankly apart from a mild incomplete closing effect on two fingers, I found no result described in relation to either test, to happen.

As for that comment about doing Bench presses you couldn't lift up, seems like a bit of a lopsided comment really, as that applies to people going to failure, or people lifting too much anyway.

The other factor being gravity. It will be more difficult to push any weight away from a gravitational pull, than relax towards it, plus that is to some extent determined by someones size, regards total range of motion, assuming you compare people of differing sizes, with no physical impedence, that could block any part of the ROM.

[Packard]

...I tried that forearm grip testing, and frankly apart from a mild incomplete closing effect on two fingers, I found no result described in relation to either test, to happen...

This is mostly a "I've been drinking in a bar with a cute girl" trick. It is easiest to do it to a 2nd party than to yourself. Use both hands and compress the forearm (inner) with your thumbs. It will cause the hand to "grip". This works very easily.

Harder to execute is the opposite action where you compress the outside of the forearm to cause the fingers to extend.

Regardless of whether the fingers are curling closed or extending straight, the muscle action is a contraction--there is no "extension" activity in a muscle, nor any torsional activity; just contraction (and relaxation). I will accept that "relaxation" is a action (but to me is seems like an absence of action), and I will not argue that point further.

[swanso5]

As for that comment about doing Bench presses you couldn't lift up, seems like a bit of a lopsided comment really, as that applies to people going to failure, or people lifting too much anyway.

failure or not, you were able to lower it down to the chest but you couldn't lift it back up...so yes, your eccentric strength is greater then your concentric strength which is why they do neg's in the first place...to use a wt you otherwise couldn't use

relaxation isn't an action, agreed...but negatives reps are hardly a relaxing thing to do, ecspecially when performed slowly, how they are meant to be performed

the person who does chin ups but lowrs down as faster trhen they came up which is everyone, will never get any better at chin ups as they are missing the eccentric contraction so therefore they will max out their concentric strength very quickly

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[Packard]

As for that comment about doing Bench presses you couldn't lift up, seems like a bit of a lopsided comment really, as that applies to people going to failure, or people lifting too much anyway.

failure or not, you were able to lower it down to the chest but you couldn't lift it back up...so yes, your eccentric strength is greater then your concentric strength which is why they do neg's in the first place...to use a wt you otherwise couldn't use

relaxation isn't an action, agreed...but negatives reps are hardly a relaxing thing to do, ecspecially when performed slowly, how they are meant to be performed

the person who does chin ups but lowrs down as faster trhen they came up which is everyone, will never get any better at chin ups as they are missing the eccentric contraction so therefore they will max out their concentric strength very quickly

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Agreed. Negatives have to be done slowly; the slower the better.

When I was on "big arms at any expense" phase I did dumbbell curls (conventional) until failure then continued to do the reps as negatives until arm simply could not hold the weight going down. Then I dropped 5 pounds and did it again; and again; and again.

Eventually arms got so big that I could not button top button on shirts (I could not bend arms as the biceps would hit the forearm). That is when I decided that "big arm at any expense" was a bad idea.

But I was stuck until I used the negatives--those were what made arms explode.

[Packard]

, agreed...

Agreed.

Nice

It doesn't happen often--or often enough.

[vamp]

lets face it, when you two start disagreeing and boss man adds in some info, we all learn The fact that allows us to so easily watch and read is that you two respect each other and the fact that you do have differences. You don't waste your/our time with name calling or swearing or any other "stupidities" (for lack of better word). You also can agree to disagree

cheers guys

[Boss Man]

Yes it's a bit like the equivalent of Crystal and Alexis in Dynasty, but without the duck pond cat fights and face slapping